#53844 - 01/28/02 01:35 PM
Re: Xrefer Americanisms
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/24/00
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Loc: Chicago
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milum - I'm with JazzO on this one. (we are close to the same longitude  ). The 'aw' and the 'eh' in wallet sound a slight bit more grave' together, especially given how acute I've heard *members of the 'upper states' pronounce 'bill'.
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#53845 - 01/29/02 06:47 AM
Re: Xrefer Americanisms
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old hand
Registered: 09/03/01
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Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
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Dear Musick, JazzO, The rest of the world, etc... Must I continually correct myself? I meant A figurative high pitched voice not a real high pitched voice. I was going to say "...the whimpy nasal sound of the french..." but I didn't want to insult a whole nation. Must I be scrutinized by every Tom, Dick, and Jazzo?  Milum.
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#53846 - 01/29/02 07:00 AM
Re: Xrefer Americanisms
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member
Registered: 12/13/00
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Loc: London, UK
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which leads to another oddity as the only 'transom' I had ever heard of before referred to the back of a boat.
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#53847 - 01/29/02 07:29 AM
Re: transom
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Carpal Tunnel
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but a transom means merely a cross-beam, and from thence gets taken to apply to many individual features by association (boat transom, transom window, etc) ps - I woke eh-nigma by mistake, and she likes 'transpacific' for transom
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#53848 - 01/29/02 07:38 AM
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addict
Registered: 05/18/00
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Loc: Somewhere outside New York
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but a transom means merely a cross-beam, and from thence gets taken to apply to many individual features
by association (boat transom, transom window, etc)
I worked in architecture, in a former life, and a transome (yes, there was an 'e' on the end for some reason) was the horizontal section of wood which bisected a window's sash. The vertical equivalent is a mullion. I've never heard of a transom window but I can guess that one above a door is so called for the divide between the window and door frames.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'd rather NOT look it up.
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#53849 - 01/29/02 09:55 AM
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journeyman
Registered: 01/21/01
Posts: 96
Loc: Blackpool England
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'round here we sometimes refer to a "gentleman of the road" as a Paraffin lamp ( tramp ) or just plain paraffin for short.
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#53850 - 01/29/02 09:58 AM
Re: transom v. fanlight
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Carpal Tunnel
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#53851 - 01/29/02 10:02 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
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Forgive my pasting from my ten buck CD dictionary:
ran[som 7tran4s!m8
n.
5LME traunsom, prob. altered < L transtrum, crossbeam, lit., that which is across < trans: see TRANS36
1 a crosspiece in a structure; specif., a) a lintel b) a horizontal crossbar across the top or middle of a window or the top of a door
>2 a small window or shutterlike panel directly over a door or window, usually hinged to the TRANSOM (sense 1b)
3 any crosspiece; specif., a) the horizontal beam of a gallows or cross b) any of the transverse beams attached to the sternpost of a wooden ship c) the transverse, aftermost part of a boat with a square stern
over the transom by unsolicited submission, as to a publisher: said of a manuscript, etc.
I did it mostly because I got a laugh out of the last phrase, about submitting a manuscript by throwing it through the transom window of the editor's locked door.
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#53852 - 01/29/02 10:09 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
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tran·som (trăn'səm)
n.
1a. A horizontal crosspiece over a door or between a door and a window above it.
b. A small hinged window above a door or another window.
2. A horizontal dividing bar of wood or stone in a window.
3.A lintel.
4. Nautical.
a. Any of several transverse beams affixed to the sternpost of a wooden ship and forming part of the stern.
b. The aftermost transverse structural member in a steel ship, including the floor, frame, and beam assembly at the sternpost.
c. The stern of a square-sterned boat when it is a structural member.
5. The horizontal beam on a cross or gallows.
[Middle English traunsom, probably alteration of Latin trānstrum, cross-beam, from trāns, across. See trans–.]
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