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I know we've had similar threads in the past, but I thought it would be fun -- nay, cathartic -- to go through the litany again.
What inspired this was Richard Lederer's appearance on NPR radio's Sunday newsprogram, All Things Considered; the same Lederer who entertained some of us AWADers last week with his wit and wisdom, peppered with puns and nonsense.
One of the peeves brought up by a caller is one we've discussed before: the usage of "decimate" to mean "obliterate," rather than "to kill one in ten." Lederer allowed as how language changes hi Faldage & tsuwm! and he'd feel pretty silly saying something like "We had an infestation of gypsy moths in the back yard but I'm relieved to say they only decimated my fruit trees."
Bring 'em on! What are some of y'all's pet peeves?
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The use of acronyms for which a translation is not readily available.
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We had an infestation of gypsy moths in the back yard but I'm relieved to say they only decimated my fruit trees.
It should perhaps be noted that if the gypsy moths decimated Mr. Lederer's fruit trees in the manner of the original definition of the word (in Latin, I might add) they would have killed ten percent of the trees and shipped the other ninety percent off to other orchards.
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What are some of y'all's pet peeves?Well, though I feel badly to say this, Anna and Faldage, I perhaps have less pet peeves than both of you. Edit: ps to Anna and Helen: well, I had to find a pair somewhere to make reference to the misuse of "both", where the proper word is "each". 
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keiva, David and Besty are my new bestist friends, since yesterday-- so you leave them alone!
meanwhile, someone else was peevish today--- this is from the NYtimes Metropolitan Diary-- and since i know some of you hate to visit the site.. i have copied it here.. its not really word related.. but it is about pet peeves
MY PET PEEVE
I have this pet, his name is PEEVE,
I've asked him several times to leave.
He says, "I'll go, I will, I swear,"
but he's not going anywhere.
Perhaps you've had the chance to meet —
he walks quite slowly down the street,
and stomps his feet down as he walks,
yelling in a phone, he talks.
He rarely says "thank you," never "please."
He disregards R.S.V.P.'s.
He likes to tell how much he earns
and doesn't signal when he turns.
He gets close when he's in line,
thinks 10 percent for tip is fine.
When the bill comes, he runs to hide.
He wears sunglasses while inside.
If you see Peeve playing with his hair
Or barking "Who's this?" into the phone,
Please tell him to use the right side of the stair
And for goodness' sake, to leave me alone.
Martha E. Stewart
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Martha E. StewartGeez, Helen, you'd think Martha would be content sticking to her empire of chintz and soufflés. and thanks for that remark - I don't like to engage a lawyer unless absolutely necessary 
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http://f2.org/humour/language/nonsense.html#Cumberbunce makes the point in its last two lines: I thought all people understood
The difference 'twixt 'might' and 'could'!to which I would add I wish all folks would understand
The difference 'twixt 'may' and 'can'!
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Is the phrase pet peeve.
Well, that and people who drive as though I weren't the only person on the road, but that goes without saying.
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what really get my goat, is when people fail to stop talking, when i am trying to interupt!
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People who drive as though the speed limit is the recommended minimum speed. Where are the police when I'm driving sane and the other guys aren't?
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Oh, Anna! You were so slick with that 'engage', I almost missed your first one: Martha Stewart, the Empress of chintz. I love it! Kudos, kiddo!
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The tautological repetition of unnecessary words.
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The frivolou's use of apostrophe's.
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Using quotes rather than an exclamation mark to place emphasis on a written word really makes me "mad".
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"Pour speeling in public doccuments or on SIGN'S"
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AWADer's that take 5 post's to boost there post count when "one would have doen".
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regarding stales' last:  I have just now earned my MD degree: Master of Dittography. Trust me, Stales, if the intent was to pad, I could be a great deal more thorough by other means!
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Keiva - I was only being self critical
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the misuse of "both", where the proper word is "each".
A) I gotta go along with the ASp on either rather than each
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2) Both would not be incorrect if you meant ...than both of us put together.
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quotes rather than an exclamation mark to place emphasis on a written word
I hope! you're not suggesting placing "exclamation" marks in the middle! of a sentence!, "stales". "Exclamation" marks at the "ends" of sentences don't let you know! which word is being "emphasized"!
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I was only being self criticalno, you did better: you were self-illustrative! What a lustrous post!
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A) I gotta go along with the ASp on either rather than eachI completely agree that "you gotta go along with the ASP." You are a wise man there. now as to the second part of your sentence... 2) Both would not be incorrect if you meant ...precisely: the choice betwwen the two conveys a subtle difference in meaning.
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Two pet peeves come to mind immediately:
Using a sentence with the constructions "neither-or" rather than "either-or" or "neither-nor". I will, though, say that I can't remember either seeing nor hearing "either-nor". That would probably be the very last words I heard before the fatal stroke.
Using I, she, he, etc. in prepositional phrases where me, her, or him is correct. I have been known to call newscasters and "caster"gate them for this unforgiveable lapse.
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Give they hell, TEd!
Edit: They think they're big cheeses, but they're really only small potatoes.
Mere common taters.
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Give they hell, TEd!
Ye said it, Keiva!
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Boredom.
Repetition is the whetstone of functionality
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The following list of peeves, from Gilbert & Sullivan, seems worth the verticality. For the MIDI file, see http://math.boisestate.edu/GaS/mikado/html/none_be_missed.htmlThere's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs--
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that--
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-à -têtes insist--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed! (CHORUS)
There's the banjo serenader, and the others of his race,*
And the piano-organist--I've got him on the list!
And the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face,
They never would be miss'd--they never would be miss'd!
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
And the lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy,
And who "doesn't think she dances, but would rather like to try";
And that singular anomaly, the lady novelist--
I don't think she'd be missed--I'm sure she'd not he missed! (CHORUS)
And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The Judicial humorist--I've got him on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-bob, and likewise--Never-mind,
And 'St--'st--'st--and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed! (CHORUS)-------- * this is the modernized version; the original was "nigger serenader".
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Further to: ...quotes rather than an exclamation mark to place emphasis on a written word...
There seems to be a school of signwriting here in WA that espouses this. It's not uncommon to see signs saying "STOP" or "SALE" or Avoid the XMas rush - buy "NOW"
It p***es me off so much that I wonder if I'm turning into just another old cranky guy! Probably
......I remember when I was young......
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Speaking of Public Radio and pet peeves, I was just going to post about this, but it fits in here so well. The meteorologist on Vermont Public Radio has the fingernails-across-a-chalkboard habit of pronouncing "across" with a slight "t" at the end of it, as in "snow and freezing rain spreading acrosst northern Vermont tonight." It tends to be elided when followed by a "t" sound, though ("across the Green Mountains"). He also says "so to say" instead of "so to speak." These are not common liguistic quirks here in Vermont, and I was wondering if one could pinpoint them to a regional dialect. He doesn't have an indentifiable accent (to me anyway), but that "acrosst" just drives me batty.
I also hate the it's/its thing and the rampant use of apostrophe's (but I still feel a little funny using CDs instead of CD's), but who doesnt.
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and "regarding" the overuse of *odd* bits of emPHAsis, we never see "any" of that around *here! 
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pet peeves!? now you've got me started - in no particular order: 2. irregardless 3. wreck havoc [for wreak] 4. your/you're (its/it's, their/they're) 5. flustrated [conflating frustrated/flustered] 6. to/too/two 7. excessive anthimeria (i.e., verbing of nouns) 8. orientate 9. (see previous post) 10. "in no particular order" 11. unnecessary apostrophes (e.g., CD's :) 12. misuse of linguistic terms by supposed experts; e.g., Lederer listing "cleave" as a contronym 13. excessive and pedantic sesquipedalian verbiage 14. verbage/verbiage 15. confusing 'i.e.' and 'e.g.' . . 17. mute/moot [it's a mute point] . . . 37. excessive use of the ellipsis
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OH! OH! OH! I remember another one.
The people who hold up two fingers with each hand as they say quote unquote. Even when quote unquote is not necessary which is pretty much all the time.
A former boss of mine used to do that. This guy could start bloviating at the drop of a paper clip. I searched and searched until I found an Energizer bunny that actually worked. It went around in circles banging on its pink drum.
Whenever Bill would start in one of us would start the damned bunny running around. I came to work one morning to find the bunny stomped into plastic shards at the entrance to my cubicle. Did I mention that Bill was a tad passive-aggressive?
Of course there was the time one of us got the batteries in backwards. That bunny kept coming and coming.
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max, you did note that I chose to leave off a number one(1.) at this point in time? (oops, there's number 16.)
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13. excessive and pedantic sesquipedalian verbiage
honorificabilitudinity -- as in Lederer
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Here's another one: *claiming...
...in no particular order:
...yet numbering the "list".
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I loathe the lack of ability some people show in making verbs and nouns agree in terms of number, particularly in the third person. A typical sense would be "Let the customer make his selection and then get them to choose their prize." I also get driven insane by people who wilfully misuse "less" and "fewer". I'm driven even crazier by people who then spend considerable amounts of time trying to justify their misuse ... Note that I got two peeves for one post here, stales old son!
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Misquotation or things taken out of context tend to annoy me. As an example, the ubiquitous Money is the root of all evil for The love of money is the root of all evil.
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A) They've got to be in some order. It's not possible in this medium to have them scattered willy-nilly across the page.
2) Alphabetical order, chronological order, in order of greatest to least cranky-ol'-joe index; these are all particular orders.
Þ) If you don't use a particular order, but you are using an order, they are "in no particular order". Irregardless.
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faldage, thank you so much for obviousizing my no. 10 (irrespective of your other egregious miscreancy).
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No doubt holding steadfastly to a linear universe. Can the given order, one that apparently has no intentions of 'use' yet still is *uttered first-to-last (let alone given numbers after the fact), be completely or even easily ignored? Faldage - as someone who "hates philosophers" you have become the chosen one...
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Foremost among my considerable collection of pet peeves is the word arguably. Look at it. It is ugly. The fad use of this ugly word introduces contention, without resolution, into the lyrical flow of sentences by the interjection of three harsh syllables (or four if you are from the south) to say little or naught. Besides, what ever happened to that nice word "perhaps"?
Until a minute ago I thought the use of this godawful word was limited to bureaucrats, politicians, National Public Radio commentators and others whose speech is largely bereft of meaning but burdened with new age buzz. Certainly I didn't expect to see the use of this vulgarism on the illustrious AWAD board.
It was Tsuwm. In a post in Q&A he wrote...
Paleontologist S.J.Gould, arguably, the most ...
"Nooooooooooo!" I screamed, scaring the cat. Not Tsuwm, hero to some, mentor to many, the Pooh-Bah voted most likely...no, not the great Tsuwm. The computer screen shuttered in disbelief, and then blinked off.
I sat alone in the darkened room overcome with sadness. Then, suddenly I brightened.
"That's it!" I cried, scaring the cat. Tsuwm, inarguably astute, had not used the A-word in vain after all. The inclusion of "arguably" was an important encoded personal message to me. I had been argueing with Faldage. So decoded, the word "arguably" reads...
Do not argue with Faldage, you will lose.
Outside my window the sun shines and birds sing and the great Tsuwm looks down from above and all is right with the world once again.
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> What are some of y'all's pet peeves?
(1) As oft stated.......just about any attempts at communication from sports broadcasters' mouths.
eg: "They're rising to the challenge and taking up the gauntlet, the Eagles"
(2) Attempts by those with limited speaking or writing skills to sound otherwise - especially those attempting to sound official. Police statements are a good example
(3) The word "actually". It's a useless thing and should be banned.
wow - three posts in one - I'm slipping!
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all peevishness aside, milum, that was, arguably, the highlite[sic] of my day -- if only you had made that little extra effort and quoted me accurately. (there's no. 23!)
copyright © ron obvious, 2001
p.s. - there ain't no T in tsuwm -- if anyhing should be uppercased in tsuwm it would have to be the s.
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I think you were less wrong than I was on exaptation. Well, except that I think Gould is wrong if he is suggesting exaptation to include preadaptation and whatever that other silly word was. Exaptation should replace preadaptation and preadaptation should replace whatever it was for reasons I outlined in the middle of our Glory.
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arguably
three harsh syllables (or four if you are from the south)huh? I sure ain't from the south, but how do y'all pronounce that with only three syllables. ar-gu-a-bly Or are you saying that one of the four isn't harsh, and simply the use of a southern accent invariably makes all of them harsh?
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Ar - gyu (silent a) - blee
I've heard it pronounced like that down here quite often.
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The Jazzoctopus wrote... Or are you saying one of the four syllables isn't harsh and simply the use of the southern accent makes them all sound harsh?Well not exactly, Jazzoctopus, it depends on the southerner doing the saying. Take the word "Damnyankee" for example. My buddy Elmo Womack can make all four syllables sound harsh, while his sister Mattie, can make "Damnyankee" sound like music to the ears. PS to Musick: You are right, If I were to pronouce the word I would pronounce it that way myself.
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here's #16, which I had forgotten (see list):
16. use of juxtaposed to mean something more than placed side by side (i.e., transposed)
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I wasn't around when this took off, but here are a couple that grate on me:
Kudos used as a plural. (I know, dictionaries are starting to knuckle under, but it's still awful.)
Sentences like this: Give it to whomever wants it.
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Give it to whomever wants it.Love it. I shall inarguably use it often ... Would you have been happier if they said "Give it to whomsoever wanteth it."?
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A wise teacher once advised me: Be very careful how you use who and whom. And if you ever have the urge to use whomever in a sentence, stifle it. Whomsoever? Oy!
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why can't the Yiddish experts (major assumption there) standardize their Orthography? Oi!
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Oi gevald!
Mea culpa, already!
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why can't the Yiddish experts standardize their Orthography?
Duh! It's transliteration. Yiddish is wrote in Hebrew characters. There's different conventions. You got the Hepburn, the PinYin, the Imperial and the Farnsworth. You're lucky nobody uses the Farnsworth anymore or you'd be seeing things like oai yebhalth.
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You got the Hepburn, the PinYin, the Imperial and the Farnsworth.
I'm sorry, is this Arguments? I thought is was Pet Peeves.
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I thought is was Pet Peeves.
No, you didn't.
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Quite seriously, what the hell is the PinYin in relation to Yiddish? I thought that was a standard for Chinese ideographs!
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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Why can't the Yiddish experts standardize their orthography?Says one source: The authoritative YIVO Institute for Jewish Research has tried energetically to create a standard Yiddish orthography, and standard rules for the transcription of Yiddish into Roman letters. These were "established" in 1937 -- and have been rather widely ignored ever since. Jewish philogists and editors, too, have attempted, not successfully, to set abiding standards and rules. ...
Part of the problem lay in the fact that certain linguistic rules, necessary for scholarly and scientific publications, are intensely resisted -- by the popular press, by deeply ingrained habits, and by the preferences of influential Jews to whom their own version of the vernacular remains sacrosanct.In other words, this board is not the only population of ayleurs!
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PinYin -- Chinese
and Hepburn -- Japanese.
Imperial and Farnsworth I made up
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For anyone interested : The books by Andrew Greeley SJ featuring Bishop "Blackie" Ryan are rife with that cleric's use of "arguably." Really good reads for mystery lovers but if you hate arguably read at your peril.
This drives me crazy : "Do you mind me taking the car today?" when it should be "Do you mind my taking the car today?"
It's those "-ing" words that cause the trouble.
Off with their heads!
And if you think I am totally off the mark here, well, I don't care. It's my birthday and I'll think what I want. So there!
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If you think the - ing words cause trouble, just wait until Joe (caco)phony adds his "voice" to the chorus when we s xxx "Happy Birthday to You!"
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none_be_missed
I have this song on a cd and the title list says it's "As someday it may happen". This is also the first line of the song.
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It's my birthday
Well, then HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Hev
"no longer a stranger..."
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About the "Do you mind me taking the car today?" vs. "Do you mind my taking the car today?" - I've heard the first one used as "do you mind me taking the car?" (should I stay here & do something while someone else takes the car?) and the second used as "do you mind anyone's taking the car?" (do you need the car?) I haven't heard it often - but sometimes; it's another language in process thingie, I think. And happy birthday! Tsyganka, who hopes you have a glorious plenty of them
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