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#50151 - 12/17/01 10:20 AM ramp-(ant) garlic
Loc: rego park
a while back, on one of the threads, i mentioned ramps, a old (american i thought, but looks like it's English) word for a wild garlic.
below is from Bartleby's.. I added the red to the old english root word....
but my Websters New American Dictionary, takes the word back further, to *krem-
when i searched Bartleby's, for krem, i was led to ramson.. another onion/garlic like plant, which goes back to the same Old English, and suggest l see krem in Appendix 1-- only there is no link, and nothing that quite matches, or seems to match among the kr words... in appendix 1.
so is there a IE root krem? and what does it mean? and are there other words that season our language from this word?
VARIANT FORMS: also ramps ( rmps)
NOUN: A plant (Allium tricoccum) related to onions and leeks, having edible underground stems and found in the eastern United States.
ETYMOLOGY: Variant of rams, from Middle English ramse, from Old Englishhramsa.
PRONUNCIATION: rmzn, -sn
NOUN: A Eurasian garlic (Allium ursinum) having broad, stalked, oblong to lance-shaped leaves and bulbous roots used in salads and relishes. Often used in the plural.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English ramsyn, from Old English hramsan, pl. of hramsa. See krem- in Appendix I._________________________
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#50152 - 12/17/01 10:41 AM Re: ramp-(ant) garlic
Loc: this too shall pass
maybe it's crem- - in OED ramson points to rams...
Forms: 1 hramsa, -se, (hromsa, ramese), 5 rammys, pl. ramsis, -zys, 6 ram(m)es, 8–9 rams, 9 Sc. ramsh. [OE. hramsa, -se = MLG. ramese, G. rams (with many dial. variants: see Grimm), Da., Sw., and Norw. dial. rams (Sw. rams-lök), cognate with OIr. crem (Ir. and Gael. creamh, W. craf), Lith. kermůsz., Russ. cheremsha wild garlic, Gr. **** onion.]
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