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#46456 - 11/06/01 03:09 AM Hand of God
jmh Offline
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>will give them fodder to whine for decades to come.
>Decades? Pffffft! The Welsh are still whingeing about a disputed try in a test against the All Blacks from almost a century ago (96 years, if memory serves)

And there is always the "hand of God" - now there is a tsuwm-style quizz for non Brits. Any idea why that troubled us so much?


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#46457 - 11/06/01 03:14 AM Re: International Sport in the States
jmh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
Thanks Flatlander for your reply.

We have Stock Car Racing too. I have a friend who travels for miles. Also Speedway (motor bike racing on a track, I think).

Scotland does "Curling" which I think is a little like "hurling" in Ireland. There are a few local clubs and it is shown sometimes, very late at night on TV.

The other "sports" That seem to get coverage are darts (fat men drinking large amounts of beer) and snooker (mainly thinner men). Both seem to hold world championships but forget to invite any other countries!


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#46458 - 11/06/01 10:30 AM Re: International Sport in the States
Bean Offline
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Registered: 01/18/01
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Scotland does "Curling" which I think is a little like "hurling" in Ireland.

From the description of "hurling" above, I would say that curling is not at all like it. In curling you try and aim these big heavy stones with handles on them at a point down a long skinny sheet of ice, and knock your competitors' stones out of the way. Your teammates sweep the ice with brooms to get the rock to go where you want it to. Canada is a big curling country, although it originated in Scotland (or so they say).

Check out: http://www.brown.edu/Students/Brown_Curling_Club/info/expl.html


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#46459 - 11/06/01 01:54 PM Re: Hand of God
tsuwm Offline
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Registered: 04/03/00
Posts: 10523
Loc: this too shall pass
re soccer's "hand of god": I vaguely recall reference to this whilst watching soccer some years ago. touching the ball with the hands during play is illegal (outside of the goaler), so was it a disallowed goal because of a hand ball call, on which there was no discernible hand to be found? (or was it the obverse, an obvious hand-ball that was not called?)


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#46460 - 11/07/01 03:30 AM Re: International Sport in the States
jmh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
>From the description of "hurling" above, I would say that curling is not at all like it.

Yes Bean, you are absolutely right. For some reason I'd thought that hurling was played on ice. From the details below it sounds more like Quiddich (all it needs is a few broomsticks and a snitch)!


The team
Each team consists of 15 players and a number of substitutes Three substitutes can be used during one match. A team is lined up like this:
1 goalkeeper
6 defenders
2 midfielders
6 forwards
The equipment The players use a hurley to strike ( or carry) the ball. ... It's made of ash wood and the end of the stick (called the bas) cannot be more than 13 cm at the widest point. The average length of a hurley is 91,5 cm.

Players are adviced to use helmets (gee, i wonder why?) but it is not compulsory. The ball is known as a sliotar, its outer coating is leather and the inside contains mainly cork, this makes the sliotar very hard, the circumference should be between 23 and 25 cm and it should weigh between 100 an 130 g.

The game
A match consists of two 30 minute halves in league matches and two 35 minute halves in championship matches.
The field is 130 to 145 meters long and 80 to 90 meters wide with goal posts at either end. The goals are shaped like an "H". A point is scored if the ball goes between the bars and over the crossbar and a goal (which is 3 points) are scored if the ball passes between the goalposts under the crossbar and of course the goalkeeper. The sliotar can be carried in the hand up to four steps or during the entire match on the end of the hurley. (which would make the game a bit boring......?!........i will not go further into this..)

It can be passed by kicking, hitting it with the hurley or by passing it with the hand. (To pass the sliotar with your hand you'll have to strike it with your hand open). The sliotar can be struck with the hurley while in the air or on the ground (now..who wouldn't wear some kind of headgear!!!!!!! No wonder why the vikings had such an easy match when they came over there "some" years ago) A player may side charge another player, providing the player committing the tackle, has one foot on the ground. A player can only side charge another if the charged one is playing or possessing the sliotar.

A goalkeeper cannot be tackled inside their square, but outside you might say that he or she is begging for it. (Women also play this game!!!! But then its called Camogie)

If the sliotar goes out over the sideline the referee will reward a sideline puck. There is no off-side rule, so the ability to hit the sliotar great distanses with accuracy is of some importance. If it goes over the end line first hitting one of the defending players, a 65 meter free puck is awarded, a attacking player will then take a free puck 65 meters from the goal. Big stick, small ball,large field and wicked goalies calls for skills, This is the fastest land sport in the world!!


http://www.hurling.f2s.com/game.html



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#46461 - 11/07/01 03:44 AM Re: Hand of God
jmh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
>or was it the obverse, an obvious hand-ball that was not called?

Good detective work so far. Now can you work out who said it and why it upset the English so much.


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#46462 - 11/08/01 06:02 AM Re: Hand of God
jmh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
>Now can you work out who said it and why it upset the English so much.

Just in case anyone, who didn't already know the answer, was interested enough to look it up. The answer is Diego Maradona in the 1986 World Cup. Google to find out more.


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#46463 - 11/10/01 12:49 PM Re: A Very Good Day
Sparteye Offline
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Registered: 01/05/01
Posts: 1773
Connie:

Here's more for your brother-in-law: a summary of officiating mistakes during the last sequence of the game which went against the Spartans.

Michigan State had the ball first and 10 at the Michigan 18. Smoker was sacked on first down next play, back to the 22 yard line. But Michigan was found to have had 12 players on the field. It took a while for the officials to sort everything out. And then when they finally made the right call, they administered the penalty incorrectly.

First, if the officials had been sharp, they would have signaled for a clock stoppage immediately. Instead, MSU had to take a time out, one which should have been returned to the Spartans when the clock was stopped for the penalty.
Instead, the officials milled around and talked to each other while the Spartans went to the sideline. MSU should have retained a time out for the last :10 seconds.

Second, the officials walked off the penalty from the 22, where Smoker had been sacked. Thus, they allowed the sack to stand despite the fact that Michigan had 12 players on the field. (The stat sheet gives Michigan credit for 11 sacks on the day, but the officials counted 12 sacks, including the one that came with 12 men on the field.) The play obviously should not have stood; MSU should have had a free play. Instead, the officials walked half the distance to the goal line, from the 22, which gave MSU the ball at the UM 11, while they should have walked it off from the 18, giving MSU the ball at the 9-yard line.

Third, MSU lost the down. MSU was given second-and-three at the 11. Yes, the sack down counted. The Spartans should have retained first down, needing to get to the 8-yard line for another first down.

Soooo ~ MSU should have had first-and-one at the 9 with a time out, but as the result of the officating errors, it had lost 4 seconds as the time it took to call the time out, plus the time out, plus the down, plus the yardage. The team which was penalized by officiating error was MSU, not UM.


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#46464 - 11/22/01 06:58 PM Re: A Very Good Day
Keiva Offline
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Registered: 08/04/01
Posts: 2605
George Will: Football combines the two worst features of American life: violence and committee meetings.


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#46465 - 11/23/01 11:11 AM ZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzz
Sparteye Offline
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Registered: 01/05/01
Posts: 1773
Of course, George Will thinks that baseball is entertaining.


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