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Dear Bingley: people just can't resist changing things. The people in Rhode Island even put tomatoes into chowder. There ought to be a law......Incidentally, as recently as the;youth of one of my grandfathers, tomatoes were thought unsafe to eat.


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I was told that "Manhattan" clam chowder made with tomato instead of cream - as is New England clam chowder - is because some religions' dietary laws forbid mixing fish and milk.
I am open to correction. Anyone?
*Not a food thread, rather an effort to learn.


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some religions' dietary laws forbid mixing fish and milk.

Fish and milk? Mammal meat and milk I've heard of but not fish and milk. Lox and cream cheese anyone?


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Ketchup isn't always the ubiquitous tomato type. I have seen several recipes for walnut ketchup, which seems to be something like chutney, which would make it like what Bingley alluded to.


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What immediately came to my mind is graham flour, which is used to make graham crackers. This is a type of whole-meal flour, supposedly more healthy, invented in the late 19th century by a physician named Graham.

Then there are automobiles: Ford, Chevrolet, Studebaker, Dodge, Kaiser, Henry J (this and the preceding being named for the same person), Frazier, Oldsmobile and Reo (for Ransom E. Olds), Benz, Duesenberg, Citroen, Panhard, Morris, Rolls-Royce, etc. etc., as well as Harley-Davidson.


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Barbie doll; peach melba; melba toast; frisbee; bloomers; derby; bakelite. Bunsen burner?
hooker (if same can be considered a product rather than a service)
leotard ("19th century French trapeze artist Jules Leotard. In the clinging costume that became his trademark, Leotard enjoyed a large female following. And he advised men [to] 'put on a more natural garb, which does not hide your best features.'"

Dr. Bill, as you requested: my source for most of this is Charles Panati, Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things. You may well enjoy the and other similar Panati works. (As to the particular item you questioned, Panati say his explanation is "according to legend".)


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I don't know about Barbie, Ken. And according to the terms set out by BelM in her original post, melba toast and peach melba don't qualify -- neither were invented by Nellie Melba, they were named for her, as was the case with Chicken Tetrazzini, Spaghetti Caruso, Tournedos Rossini et al. However, Sauce Béchamel would qualify.


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See your point, byb. Was unsure if the first post required the "person" to be the "inventor" (contrast post's text with its header), but decided (see my prior header) we'd come up with more if we allowed the broader view.

My info is that the Barbie doll was named after Barbie Handler, whose parents (Elliot and Ruth) had founded Mattel toy. It was Ruth who designed that doll (the first "full figure" doll, in 1958, after noting that her daughter noting that her daughter ignored the typical cherub-type doll and preferred more shapely teenage paper dolls.


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[sigh] This is what happens when food gets mentioned.

Bob, what exactly do you mean by chutney? What I know as chutney (which I've never seen here by the way except in Indian restaurants, and there's only about half a dozen of those in Jakarta) is completely different from kecap .

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If you go to the town of Ashcutney,
It is no use to ask them for chutney.
You may beg, plead and wheeze
And get down on your knees;
It will do you no good -- they ain't gutney.

But in the spirit of never posing a problem without offering a solution:
reply: In the village emporium of Woodstock,
Of chutney they keep quite a good stock.
They're more given to gluttony
Than the folk of Ashcutney,
Who neither of liquors nor foods talk.


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