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Allow me to elaborate on TEd's succinct answer:
>No.
A mechanism was built into the Texas state constitution to allow rights of secession, but no other state has that (despite what's-his-name's fine efforts on Ecotopia), and there aren't any federal provisions for a state to leave once it's joined. There may well have been something in the Articles of Confederation, but I left my copy in my other pants...
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<<A mechanism was built into the Texas state constitution to allow rights of secession, but no other state has that
Tell that to a Vermonter--and be ready to run ;)
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Ha! Allow me ... I was there a couple of months ago and had this explained to me in semi-exhaustive detail.
Lincoln arrived at Gettysburg with a draft of the speech already written. He was, after all, dedicating the military cemetery there, and his original speech pretty much stuck to that theme.
However, when he got to Gettysburg, something - I know not what - caused him to sit down and rewrite bits of it, some of them more than once. However, the guides were emphatic that the "back-of-an-envelope" rumour was not true.
The final draft is, I believe, the one on display at Gettysburg. I didn't feel that paying $5 to see a piece of paper was worthwhile, somehow, so I didn't get to ogle it personally.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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According to http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/gadd/gadrft.html five drafts are known to exist. The Nicolay draft is believed, subject to some dispute, to be the "reading copy". That draft and one other are on display in the Library of Congress.
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mechanism was built into the Texas state constitution
Tell that to a Vermonter
Vermont has the right to secede from Texas?
All seriousness aside, I should think that a clever lawyer could mount an argument that what was entered in to voluntarily could be just as easily left. How successful the argument would be would probably depend on the political tenor of the sitting court.
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what was entered in to voluntarily could be just as easily lefthmmmm... so where is the rub of all our contract law, Faldage? And our international treaties...d'oh, I see what yah mean now don't mention Kyoto!
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contract law
I said a clever lawyer.
And the treaties we warmed up on were anything but international (As long as the grass shall grow).
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<<VT secede from Texas?
dammit, I thought I'd gotten over! ;)
as to the lawyering, I suspect the court might be martial.
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as to the lawyering, I suspect the court might be martial.
That was the Confederacy's problem. If they'd've had Calhoun or somebody like that take it to the courts, they might've won.
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