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#40389 - 09/02/01 12:55 PM Re: Hawaii - in the beginning
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James Mitchner's book "Hawaii" is a good read and the opening tells of how the islands were formed by volcano eruptions from the ocean floor.
Another book, much regarded in Hawaii is Gavan Dawes book "Shoal of Time" sub titled "A History of the Hawaiian Islands". which begins with Captain Cook's "discovery" (ahem*) of the islands. Published by The University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu, 1968, still in print.
ISBN is 0-8248-0324-8. The paperback published by arrangement with The MacMillan Company.



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#40390 - 09/02/01 03:17 PM
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#40391 - 09/02/01 03:29 PM
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#40392 - 09/02/01 09:02 PM Re: Hawaiian voyaging
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Alert : Might not be the post for those with no interest in Hawaiians and Maori

As an interesting aside, the Northern Cook Islands are almost exactly equidistant from Hawaii and Aotearoa.

Ahhh, now that interest me. Perhaps they went there first and from there to Hawaii? I spent some time browsing through my Hawaiiana but didn't find anything off hand ...but a mid-point voyage then to Hawaii seems logical ??
Food for thought.
Max : To save others from further maundering by me on this subject, I will Email you with anything I run across ... after I pay the bills, straighten the house after the long weekend, get to the bank, shop for groceries ... You get the idea (also known as : don't hold your breath.)

P.S. Geoff : you did ask...

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#40393 - 09/02/01 09:29 PM Re: Languages without Diphthongs?
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Nicholas informs us that ...Oosaka and Tookyoo and Yokohama and Aomori are all four beats.

While the 'o' sounds may be long in Osaka and Tokyo, I would be hesitant to pronounce them as two separate letters as appears to be suggested. Tokyo is written in hiragana (the basic Japanese script) as to-o-kyo-o, but the individual 'o' adds length rather than a new sound. It should possibly take as long to pronounce as the others, but I query its 4-syllable pronounciation.

(I'm hoping I've interpreted the original post correctly and may well have no idea what I'm talking about. /disclaimer-e)


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#40394 - 09/02/01 09:36 PM Re: Hawaiian language
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My understanding was that both early New Zealanders and early Hawaiians are descendant from a common ancestor (or group more likely). Archaeological evidence suggests that the Pacific Islands (such as the Cook Islands) were colonised well before both NZ and Hawaii.


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#40395 - 09/02/01 09:55 PM
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#40396 - 09/03/01 02:02 AM Re: Hawaiian voyaging
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Wow, as one who has always appreciated your posts, may I hope that you and Max will keep this correspondence going on the public boards because I for one am finding it very interesting.

Max, I forget the details of Thor Heyerdahl's work (it was getting on for thirty years ago I read Kon Tiki (aka Kong tilde to Aenigma at least) but I thought his thesis was precisely that Easter Island had been settled by the island peoples crossing the Pacific before the Europeans reached it and that they were the ones who had raised the statues. What are you objecting to in that?

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#40397 - 09/03/01 02:49 AM
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#40398 - 09/03/01 04:29 AM Japanese syllables and morae
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While the 'o' sounds may be long in Osaka and Tokyo, I would be hesitant to pronounce them as two separate letters as appears to be suggested

No, I wasn't suggesting that: to clarify, Tookyoo is two syllables, Oosaka is three, and Aomori and Yokohama are four; but in Japanese the mora or beat is more important than the syllable. The first of a double consonant is also a beat: so Ni-p-po-n is four beats, same as Yokohama. (And it's three syllables because the final -n is a separately pronuncible syllable.)


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