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#2977 - 06/04/00 04:21 PM Re: Translations
David108 Offline
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Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
>>Many Sephardi Jews speak Esperanto, or Ladino, as well as English and/or French...<<

You're right, Anna, Esperanto has its origins in Middle Europe, but it seems to have spread rapidly all over the World. I'm not sure why Sephardi Jews use it as widely as they do - I just know that my grandfather, of Sephardi origin, was very keen for his descendants to adopt the language. He was something of a pioneer in his time, and obviously thought the language had important potential.

In meeting Sephardi Jews over the years, I have found many who speak Esperanto fluently. Sadly, I'm not one of them!

http://www.esperanto.net/


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#2978 - 06/07/00 05:42 PM Re: Translations
patatty Offline
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Registered: 03/20/00
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Loc: Orange County Calif.
"Cyrano" is a perfect example of successful poetry (and prose) translation.
As a young boy, I read Brian Hooker's translation and was captivated for life. (I wrote originally "hooked", but scrapped it as distracting to my point.)
I guess I'll have to grab an Anthony Burgess to decide who did the better job.


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#2979 - 06/07/00 06:18 PM Re: Translations
patatty Offline
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Loc: Orange County Calif.
Anna -
Thank you for that Hearsay site.
I haven't explored it all, but what I did scan reminded me of the remarkable phraseology in the letter below. Maybe I'll submit it to them as well.

Taken from a Tokyo dunning letter to an American customer:

“Dear Sir:
If you fail to manufacture your ancient payment soonest, we shall take such steps as to cause you the utmost
damned astonishment!
Cordially,
(signed)”



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#2980 - 06/08/00 08:20 PM Re: Translations
Jackie Offline

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Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 11609
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
>>Taken from a Tokyo dunning letter to an American customer:

“Dear Sir:
If you fail to manufacture your ancient payment soonest, we shall take such steps as to cause you the utmost
damned astonishment!
Cordially,
(signed)” <<

It seems to me that most of the Oriental languages are much more difficult to translate to and from just about any
European language than the European ones are to each other.
They seem to require a whole new mindset.
This one reminds me of the cockamamie chicken story in
another thread.





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#2981 - 06/09/00 10:49 AM Re: Esperanto/Ladino
AnnaStrophic Offline
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>>In meeting Sephardi Jews over the years, I have found many who speak Esperanto fluently.

David, that's fascinating! Thanks for that. I guess Esperanto is more adaptable to neologisms than is Ladino, and could well serve as a lingua franca .
Now I have another question: is the Ladino spoken by Sfardis the same as the Ladino (Rhaeto-Romansch) spoken in parts of Switzerland?


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#2982 - 06/09/00 10:57 AM Re: Translations
AnnaStrophic Offline
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Patatty,

Thanks for that chuckle. I hope you do submit it, it's a true gem.


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#2983 - 06/09/00 03:38 PM Re: Esperanto/Ladino
David108 Offline
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Posts: 112
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
>>is the Ladino spoken by Sfardis the same as the Ladino (Rhaeto-Romansch) spoken in parts of Switzerland?<<

Good question, Anna - I have no idea! The following answer comes from GuruNet:

Ladino:
A Romance language with elements borrowed from Hebrew that is spoken by Sephardic Jews especially in the Balkans.
Also called: Judeo-Spanish.

That is new to me: I always believed that Ladino was confined to Western Europe - France, Spain, Portugal.

It must have a relationship, being in the right geographical area.


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