#29589 - 05/19/01 12:46 AM
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#29590 - 05/19/01 01:16 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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I'm not sure but Schwarzenegger sounds like one of those to me.
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#29591 - 05/19/01 01:19 AM
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#29592 - 05/19/01 12:44 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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#29593 - 05/19/01 12:45 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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...and his son Peter Stone II (a chip of the old block) 
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#29596 - 05/20/01 05:48 AM
Re: Top-secret meetings
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Max, but please tell the plebes a little of what y'all do at these meetings! And is there a secret handshake?
Yes, is it one of those " 'Scuse the warts!" jobbies? Reveal all!
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#29597 - 05/20/01 08:38 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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enthusiast
Registered: 01/26/01
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Max Quordlepleen>>>>
The idea for a thread soliciting such pleonasms was proposed, and here it is. Does anyone have any other "pleonastic" names to offer?
MaxQ, I am still not sure if I got the idea right of the word "neoplastic" so please let me know if Jasmine Flores (Jasmine is a flower and Flores is Spanish for flowers) is one of those names. Just so I get the concept right.
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#29601 - 05/20/01 03:55 PM
malaprops & meetings
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#29603 - 05/20/01 05:32 PM
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#29604 - 05/21/01 05:36 AM
Schwarzenegger
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old hand
Registered: 12/20/00
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> Hmmmm. I thought that Schwartzenegger meant black plowman, per The Arnold.
Well, close enough. Put it this way the etymology comes from a job using a harrow (die Egge) and has nothing to do with any language used to specify a person's skin colour(e.g. der Neger). I sometimes eat at a traditional Bavarian place called Isenegger (I guess that's short for Wiesenegger, which is a field/meddow plougher).
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#29605 - 05/21/01 05:40 AM
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#29607 - 05/21/01 11:10 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Richard Shaw, nickname "Rick."
Tee Hee !
No "you don't look Chinese" jokes, please!
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#29609 - 05/21/01 01:55 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Carpal Tunnel
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Linda Belle or Stella Astor (aster) or Maryjane Grass 
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#29611 - 05/24/01 08:20 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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This all reminds me of the pilots in the Airplane movies ("Roger, roger. What's our vector, Victor?"). I have often been advised to seek a career in university administration so I could one day be Provost Provost. Perhaps I would be lucky enough to work with a Dean Dean!
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#29618 - 05/24/01 12:06 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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...its a well known fact that they never have anything but last names for their first name
Perhaps I could sneak in if I went the equally popular "first initial, middle name" route: Provost D. Collins Provost sounds blue-blooded enough, I think.
PS After spending some time on Sparteye's great anti-E thread, simply spreading e's around without a second thought seems practically luxurious!
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#29621 - 05/25/01 01:39 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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old hand
Registered: 01/12/01
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Loc: Portland, Oregon
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In reply to:
While slightly off the theme, I am reminded of a pair of doctors who used to practice together in Oregon City, Oregon, USA some while back. One was named Jack Chitty; the other was Cameron Bangs. Many were hoping that their children would join them in their practice, thus producing the Chitty-Chitty-Bangs Bangs Clinic.
That's hysterical, Geoff... I actually[tm] went to grade school with Shane and Chris Bangs, sons of Dr. Cameron Bangs! [Welling choruses of It's a Small World e]
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#29622 - 05/26/01 02:21 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Registered: 01/19/01
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'pon my honor, I once met a woman who had named her daughter Vicky Victoria.
I still cringe at that.
So, regarding "by the sea" - what's the Cat's Elbow got to do with that? (I'm pretty dense, too.)
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#29623 - 05/27/01 08:48 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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'pon my honor, I once met a woman who had named her daughter Vicky Victoria.
Does she pretend to be a man pretending to be a woman?
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#29624 - 05/27/01 11:07 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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To Ledasdottir, StrophicAnna, and Dark Victory:
Gilly Gilly Osenfeffer Katzenellenbogen (thanks for the spelling Rhuby) by the sea is a nonsense chant used in British school playgrounds for skipping games.
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#29626 - 05/31/01 06:50 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Registered: 12/14/00
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Although not pleonastic, or even neoplastic (at least not in public), the Dean of Academic Records at the University of Nevada at Reno, who was kind enough to send my former housemate a letter cheerily informing him that his grade of "Incomplete" in a math class had been changed to "F," is aptually named Charles V. Records.
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#29627 - 06/01/01 02:19 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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journeyman
Registered: 01/19/01
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Bingley - many thanks for the clarification. That's a bit like Olly Olly Oxen Free in the game of hide and seek, or, as one of my friends said it, Olly Olly Umfree. Jazz- Who knows. All I know is that that parent was a bit confused. 
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#29632 - 06/03/01 04:22 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Carpal Tunnel
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...one of my friends said it, Olly Olly Umfree.
...or as *we said it "O-lee O-lee Ocean, free-free-free.
...or as we used to say : Ollie, Ollie, everyone out's in free!
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#29633 - 10/10/01 07:30 PM
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#29634 - 10/10/01 08:21 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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#29635 - 10/11/01 10:41 AM
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#29636 - 10/11/01 11:26 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Woodwind, I wouldn't want to "o-boest", so I thank you for tooting my horn!  Welcome, buddy!
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#29638 - 10/11/01 12:48 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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She's your buddy? She?!! please cancel above reference to "tooting my horn". [above purple text matches color of my face] [muttering "must remember to do a gender-check" -e]
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#29639 - 10/11/01 02:27 PM
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#29641 - 10/11/01 04:27 PM
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#29642 - 10/11/01 04:29 PM
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#29644 - 10/11/01 09:36 PM
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#29646 - 10/12/01 01:57 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Carpal Tunnel
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In reply to:
Query: how is the name Beryl actually pronounced? I've never met anyone with that name, and the only ref. I've ever seen to pronouncing it involved the characters' gales of laughter at the pronunciation "barrel". The only alternative I can think of is something like buh-RILL.
It was only at this point in the thread that I had the faintest idea what you were all going on about. To me the first syllable in beryl is nothing like the first syllable in barrel. Don't the rest of you make any difference between, for example, bet and bat? The difference between beryl and barrel is exactly the same.
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#29650 - 10/12/01 07:40 AM
Re: pronuuciation
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My understanding is the name Beryl is ponounced like the semi-precious stone of that name; rhymes Cheryl or sterile. Not a perfect match for "barrel", but closer if "barrel" is being used as a minor, unstressed word in a sentence. Closeness depends in part on the speaker's accent: a brit, for example, would pronouce more broadly the a in "barrel".
There is also the name Barrell (masc., yiddish), never common, but I've never heard of anyone having that name younger than may grandparents' generation.
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#29651 - 10/12/01 09:19 AM
Re: pronuuciation
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In reply to:
the name Beryl is ponounced like the semi-precious stone of that name; rhymes Cheryl or sterile
With Cheryl maybe, certainly not with sterile.
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#29652 - 10/12/01 09:43 AM
Re: pronuuciation
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Registered: 10/11/01
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With Cheryl maybe, certainly not with sterileAbsolutely, old chap . Nor with futile or butyl.
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#29654 - 10/12/01 10:31 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Oh ye gods. I wish this board had sound capacity.
The first syllable of sterile and Beryl has the same vowel as in men or Ben. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle. The yl part of Beryl is pronounced ull.
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#29655 - 10/12/01 11:25 AM
Re: regional?
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Interesting. As to Beryl, my region agrees with Jackie and Bingley, with the distincion that the second syllable, unstressed, is probably the schma sound. As to sterile, Bingley's version would sound completely odd and off here. Could this be the standard "atlantic divide" (geographically teleported, in Bingley's case )? Jackie's version ("stair") would pass here, but would sold faintly foreign. In that I'm assuming, an may well be mistaken, that Jackie would pronounce "stair" the same as a Chicagoan would. Faldage's usual "bartleby" site give the first syllable of "sterile" per my version (and beryl the same), but the second syllable per Bingley's. Was the word ever spoken in the movie The Sterile Cookoo?
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#29656 - 10/12/01 11:46 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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The first syllable of sterile and Beryl has the same vowel as in men or Ben.Yes, I just said that: the e sound in men and Ben is the same as the a-sound in bare or air: BEH-rull, = barrel. I breathe ehr. I climb the stehr. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle.Nope. Ill or ull.
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#29657 - 10/12/01 03:40 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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Here's a few that came to me in my sleep last night:
Pat Small
Peter Dwindle
Mike Measure
Pat Cosset
John Throne
John Loo
Carl Peasant
Marsh Moore
Earl Peer
Earl Noble
Marshal Sheriff
Marshal Constable
Marshal Reeve
Carrie Young (not pleonastic but funny to me!)
Van Wayne
Carrie Trust
Ted Scatter
Carol Singer
Chuck Roast
Karen Custody
Margaret Pearl
Wayne Wright
Carrie Winn
Job Post
Barry Intern
Bob Barber
Bill Dunn
Mark Brand
Art Talent
John Customer
Tom Drake
Sue Woo
Perhaps when I'm wide awake I'll think of a few more.
And here's one for the Englishers:
Tom Gibb
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#29658 - 10/12/01 11:04 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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old hand
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Yes, I just said that: the e sound in men and Ben is the same as the a-sound in bare or air: BEH-rull, = barrel.
Hold on a sec. This is only a Southern occurance. Y'all down there pronounce the e in men and Ben like a long a with a little more toward the i sound. That makes men and man sound very similar. And that's why Kentucky sounds like Caintuck. I would say that for the rest of us in the US, Ben and bare sound quite different.
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#29659 - 10/13/01 12:03 PM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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If my memory serves me, the same issue was brought up by Bingley in referrence to a different word. Ever since, upon seeing a word spelled with a "Y", I've repronounced it to make the "Y" a seperate, stressesd syllable... fun, but not productive. The ile part of sterile is pronounced the same as in isle/aisle. Yep and nope... It depends upon meaning. In order to differentiate between *sterile meaning "clean" and *sterile meaning "unproductive", the later is given the "aisle" pronunciation (not like they would ever be confused )!
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#29660 - 10/13/01 12:51 PM
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Carpal Tunnel
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Perhaps it would be well to LIU in the dictionary and post the results here. I'd be pleased to do so if some experienced soul would kindly inform me how to reproduce, on this board, the dictionary's diacritical marks.
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#29662 - 10/13/01 08:00 PM
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'zik, I was unable to find the Stinkin Dictionary, and therefore relied upon the American Heritage® Dictionary, which Faldage so often cites (at bartleby.com) (note: I'm unable to reproduce the schwa symbol here, for which I have substituted ÷.)
barrel: pronounced (băr’ ÷l)
beryl: pronounced (bĕr’÷l)
sterile: pronounced (stĕr’ ÷l) or (stĕr’ īl)
stair: pronounced (stâr)
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#29663 - 10/13/01 08:37 PM
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#29664 - 10/13/01 09:59 PM
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Max, I think you are threading us along here. Pleonasm simply means "superfluous" or "redundant". Dawnmarie, indeed! Now I understand how one rises in the ranks around here. Tee Hee. P.S. I'm new. How come I can't post icons and blue paste-ups like you veterans (and Pooh-Bahs)? Are these insignia of rank, or what?
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#29666 - 10/13/01 10:36 PM
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#29667 - 10/13/01 10:55 PM
pleonasisms
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"But it sure would have made a nice 6/8 metrical example."
Inspires me to poetic versification, Wordwind.
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#29668 - 10/13/01 11:01 PM
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veteran
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Come to think of it, "Dawnmarie" isn't an example of a "pleonasm", Max. Its an example of "pleonarcissism". (Like falling in love with your reflection in the water.)
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#29669 - 10/14/01 10:52 AM
Re: Redundantly tautological pleonastic names
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old hand
Registered: 11/13/00
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Loc: Perth, Western Australia
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"barrel, Beryl, Shirl, Earl, squirrel, quarrel, and even Earl, Jr., all come out pretty much the same"
Well, to us here in the Antipodes, you're coming out like a hick!
Barr-rell, Beh-rill, Sherl, Erl, skwih-rool, kwoh-rool.
Sheesh
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#29670 - 10/14/01 11:15 AM
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#29671 - 10/15/01 01:10 PM
Beryl Cooper
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isn't exactly a pleonasm in the sense in which this thread started. A cooper is not a barrel, but rather a barrel maker.
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#29673 - 10/16/01 01:55 PM
Re: Pleonarcissism
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So, Plu', "Belle Bell" would be an example of a pleonastic pleonarcissism, yes? (Mebbe "Beau Bell," too--hmmmmm, and then monkeys named "Bo-Bo" have names derived from pleonarcissisms==Beau Beau...???)
Now I'm wondering about "leonasms..." Would a pleonastic leonasm be something like "Rex King"?
Of course, if an egotistical, self-named pseudo-king, "Rex King" could be a pleonastic, pleonarcissistic, leonasm.
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