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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: The cost of higher education? #27752 05/02/01 03:54 PM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 163 R Rouspeteur member Rouspeteur member R Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 163 > If the janitors at Harvard are fairly paid, then Princeton will have a harder time saying they shouldn't have to pay theirs fairly, and if the janitors at all universities end up fairly paid, then other institutions, academic or commercial, will have a harder time saying theirs shouldn't be... Who decides what is fair? I'm sure the union, the employer, and the customer all have different ideas of what a fair wage is. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: The cost of higher education? #27753 05/02/01 07:20 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Capital Kiwi Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,146 Northamptonshire, England The fact is, I guess, that everyone says they value higher education, but most taxpayers are unwilling to fork out a higher percentage in taxes to support it. That's certainly the case here. Rhub's comments on the British system are well-taken; British unions have always had more power than in other places. However, academicians do not make good unionists; it's like trying to herd cats. I was the secretary of a branch of ASTE, the polytechnic lecturers' union, for a couple of years last century, and it was like trying to herd cats. I constantly found myself saying things like "Yes, I know the poly's state funding is reducing by 1% per year, but should you really let that influence YOUR standard of living?" or "Poly funding is one issue, income from other sources, including direct payments by students, are another. The poly's hurting, but not as much as us working for about 60% of what we could get in the commercial sector." or "So you have no problem about management steam-rollering us into accepting redundancies when we know perfectly well that the quality of the teaching will suffer?" Yeah, it's a real bundle of laughs! The idiot also known as Capfka ... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: herding cats #27754 05/03/01 01:01 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky "So you have no problem about management steam-rollering us into accepting redundancies when we know perfectly well that the quality of the teaching will suffer?" Reminds me of that saying that I can only remember part of: along the lines of 'Everybody thought Somebody would take care of it, so Nobody did it'. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter edjicashun #27755 05/03/01 02:17 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Cross-forum note: A discussion similar to this has resumed over yonder at AWAD in Schools. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,326 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 739 guests, and 1 robot. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 29 A C Bowden 13 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 tsuwm 10,542 wofahulicodoc 10,539 LukeJavan8 9,916 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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