Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Page 5 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >
Topic Options
#209356 - 02/01/13 05:00 PM Re: Determinism [Re: Buffalo Shrdlu]
tsuwm Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 04/03/00
Posts: 10522
Loc: this too shall pass
yeah, well it wasn't really meant to be; but you might as well make your examples topical!

Top
#209357 - 02/01/13 06:37 PM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
BranShea Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 5282
Loc: Netherlands, the Hague
I'm glad I had my madeleines out of the oven before I started reading. Jenny, why didn't you bring Socrates?.

Socrates was a wise and clever man, he never could be wrong. That's why near the end of his book I thought he did not deserve the poison, but he sure did deserve Xantippe.

Tsuwm's advise to write offline and copy is really a good one. Far more relaxed. To me the outcome looks very undetermined in spite or maybe just because of the 99 species of determinism in the wiki article.

Top
#209612 - 02/17/13 11:03 PM Re: Determinism [Re: BranShea]
jenny jenny Offline
veteran

Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 1554
Loc: Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi
Dear, dear, tsuwm; disarticulated facts are the stuff of idiot savants. Read here the semantic evidence for Determinism. And if after reading it you don't understand it go back and read it again because you have done a poor job of putting it together.

1) In your mind multiply the total number of atoms in the universe times their interactions with other atoms since the Big Bang exploded fifteen billion years ago.
2) Life is defined by self-replication and change.
3) Lifeforms as entities extend into the environment.
4) Thoughts and words are physical extentions of lifeforms.
5) Nothing can't beget something.

Top
#209616 - 02/18/13 02:51 PM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
olly Offline
old hand

Registered: 12/18/06
Posts: 956
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
So, before the big bang there was something???

Just physically extending

Top
#209619 - 02/18/13 03:36 PM Re: Determinism [Re: olly]
jenny jenny Offline
veteran

Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 1554
Loc: Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi
Originally Posted By: olly
So, before the big bang there was something???

Just physically extending


Yes olly, you extend physically very well.

Top
#209621 - 02/18/13 04:26 PM Re: Determinism [Re: jenny jenny]
Rhubarb Commando Offline
old hand

Registered: 11/13/11
Posts: 1074
Loc: Lancaster, UK
But, it you believe in an omnipresent and ompnipotent god, all that is necessary is the (mind; will; existence? pick what you want) of god. Surely, that is what St John was saying? The universe was made extant by the Word.

[personally, I don't believe any of the above, but I think it is a viable argument]

PS And te Word of God is not of us, though with us, and is, therefore, not a pre-existing condition!


Edited by Rhubarb Commando (02/18/13 04:29 PM)
_________________________
I'm immortal until proven otherwise

Top
#209622 - 02/18/13 07:27 PM Re: Determinism [Re: Jackie]
Faldage Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/01/00
Posts: 13803
The concept of an omniscient God who is outside of time and the concept of free-will seem to me to be mutually exclusive. But that's why we try not to talk about religion here.

Top
#209623 - 02/18/13 10:26 PM Re: Determinism [Re: Faldage]
jenny jenny Offline
veteran

Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 1554
Loc: Lower Aberdeen, Mississippi
Originally Posted By: Faldage
The concept of an omniscient God who is outside of time and the concept of free-will seem to me to be mutually exclusive. But that's why we try not to talk about religion here.

What, Faldage? You got a mouse in your pocket? WE here can discuss whatever we please as long as WE are not rude or vulgar.
RC, Olly, BranShe, you, and me, are not talking religion, we are talking Determinism so stay on point. Now listen closely...

In the begining was the Word. And the word was God and the word was with God.
Which translates deterministically as...

Inherent with the Big Bang were all events to follow.



Top
#209628 - 02/19/13 06:48 AM Re: Determinism [Re: Jackie]
Faldage Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/01/00
Posts: 13803
I ain't sayin' nothin' no mo'.

Top
#209631 - 02/19/13 08:58 AM Re: Determinism [Re: olly]
zmjezhd Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/13/05
Posts: 3290
Loc: R'lyeh
So, before the big bang there was something???

So, think some cosmologists. There are theories of multiple big bangs. Multiple universes, too. Not everybody agrees.
_________________________
Ceci n'est pas un seing.

Top
Page 5 of 8 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >

Moderator:  Jackie 
Forum Stats
8738 Members
16 Forums
13806 Topics
215125 Posts

Max Online: 3341 @ 12/09/11 02:15 PM
Newest Members
KatieC, ashishsum, ackcat, mayne, Yesurbius
8738 Registered Users
Who's Online
0 registered (), 24 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters (30 Days)
LukeJavan8 87
endymion6 84
wofahulicodoc 73
A C Bowden 40
Tromboniator 5
May 4
FoFong 3
LadyReader 2
KatieC 1
tsuwm 1
Top Posters
wwh 13858
Faldage 13803
Jackie 11609
tsuwm 10522
Buffalo Shrdlu 7210
AnnaStrophic 6511
LukeJavan8 6487
Wordwind 6296
of troy 5400
BranShea 5282

Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 2014 Wordsmith