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#20632 03/05/01 03:45 PM
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The TV execs motto is "Take the cash and let the credit go."


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Along the same line it distubs me that TV Execs are quick to take credit for exposing wrong doings and for the impact of programs they broadcast which bring social change for the good ... and at the same time refute the impact of violence on impressionable people of all ages.

Wow, wow , that's a great point that I'd never thought of. They only admit TV's influence if someone is attributing something good to it, then they're all "Yes, it can be a powerful force in our lives," but if something bad is attributed to it, it's "TV doesn't influence anyone on a deeper level; everyone knows it's just for fun!"

As for good TV, my husband has, much to my chagrin, gotten me hooked on Star Trek: Voyager. I'd always resisted Star Trek because I felt I was geeky enough without adding this stereotypical geeky habit to my already long list of geeky habits. But there are all sorts of great lessons in their shows, even if they are occasionally a bit contrived. Plus, Captain Janeway reminds me of my mom - wise, assertive, but willing to see another side of the story, and she changes her mind if she finds she was originally wrong about something.


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>But there are all sorts of great lessons in their shows, even if they are occasionally a bit contrived.

My favourite episode (years ago) was the "Trouble with Tribbles" (I think), it had some profound thoughts on population growth.


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But there are all sorts of great lessons in their shows, even if they are occasionally a bit contrived.

The major lesson (for me) to be derived from the spin-offs from Star Trek is that spin-offs are not a great idea ... and that includes STNG.



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My favourite episode (years ago) was the "Trouble with Tribbles"
And in that show the great line by Capt. Kirk : "Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale" a great take off on the very old song "Who Put the Overalls in Mrs. Murphy's Chowder?" I later read there was such an experimental type grain!
I admit to liking the original, the next generation (oh that Patrick Stewart = Jen Luc be still my beating heart!) and Voyager. Good escapist stuff after a trying day.And if the mix of colors and races working and playing in relative harmony imprints on young minds ...well... I'm for it.
I'll go now, while the goin's good.
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Hab SoSlI' Quch!

Sorry for the harsh words, CK, but I think NG is better than ST in one critical area: NG has a captain who speaks English! Patrick Stewart is superb, whether captaining a starship, or playing the ultimate fascist maitre d'hotel in LA Story Shatner, on the other hand is a buffoon, a scene-hogger whose laughable intonations ruin every line he delivers. [hiding-from-geek-fatwah-squads-emoticon]


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Oh good. It's Miscellany. I can tell my tangential story.

When I worked for the Portland Opera, we were mounting a new production of Sweeney Todd (just for variety). Patrick Stewart got wind of this, and personally called the Opera's head honcho. To make a long story slightly shorter, he had no idea who Patrick Stewart is (!) and made him go into "Well, I've done some work with the Royal Shakespeare Company, I do this TV show, ..." Still nothing resembling recognition. Somebody random was offered the part, and they tried to leverage the name of Bruce Beresford as director in order to sell tickets. Now, don't get me wrong, Driving Miss Daisy is a lovely film. But consider the potential revenue from a name like Bruce Beresford (Eh.) as compared to the potential revenue from a name like Patrick Stewart (Aaa-OOOOO-gah!!!). If you're reading, Mr. Beresford, no offense intended. You did a fine job on the Portland production of Sweeney. But here's the kicker... the play dates happened to coincide with Portland's worst flooding within living memory, so the attendance was mediocre at best. Due to the lower-than-expected revenue generated by the production, the Opera applied for (and was granted) disaster relief loan funds to help make up for the shortfall. From an insider's perspective, I see it as poor decision-making, plain and simple. Flood or no flood, they could have had Trekkies (and Trekkers) crawling into town on their hands and knees from Tualatin if they had simply seen the Patrick Stewart opportunity for what it was worth!

Plus, I might have had the chance to measure his inseam...




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From an insider's perspective, I see it as poor decision-making, plain and simple. Flood or no flood, they could have had Trekkies (and Trekkers) crawling into town on their hands and knees from Tualatin if they had simply seen the Patrick Stewart opportunity for what it was worth!
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There ought to be a rule that Theater/Opera managers have at least a rudimentary knowledge of theater and the actors who populate that world.
Oh, and wasn't that a marvelous performance Mr. Stewart gave in "Ann of the Thousand Days?"
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From what I hear, he's currently giving a marvelous performance in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf at the Guthrie here in Minneapolis. Someone from my improv class saw it and said it was unspeakably brilliant... Mercedes Ruehl playing opposite Jean-Luc. She's no slouch either, you know.


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Sorry for the harsh words, CK, but I think NG is better than ST in one critical area: NG has a captain who speaks English! Patrick Stewart is superb, whether captaining a starship, or playing the ultimate fascist maitre d'hotel in LA Story Shatner, on the other hand is a buffoon, a scene-hogger whose laughable intonations ruin every line he delivers. [hiding-from-geek-fatwah-squads-emoticon]

Don't speak what I assume to be Klingon, but I bet it was about removing various parts of my anatomy with a blunt knife ...

Personally, I thought Patrick Stewart's best part was as a Borg.

I was actually using Star Trek as an exemplar of a principle rather than picking on ST or NG or BMW or Austin or Rover or Sachs of Sixth Avenue ...

Spin-offs rarely do well. Yes, there have been exceptions, but in general they lack originality and unless they are a spin-off at one or two removes, wind up essentially retreading the story lines from the parent series.

[Ho hum, death in less than 24 hours. Well, it could be worse emoticon]



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