#199116 - 04/14/11 08:57 AM
Linguistic therapy
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#199123 - 04/14/11 11:10 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Those little grammar things can really gnaw at a person.
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#199129 - 04/14/11 06:54 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Just a reference for me......or a door stop.
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#199134 - 04/14/11 08:53 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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I'll stick with page turner.......
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#199165 - 04/15/11 11:13 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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I really envy you that many languages. It has to be so
refreshing.
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#199169 - 04/15/11 11:43 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Back when I was a kid, you put me down with a dictionary and I'd have forgotten the word I was looking up by the time I'd made it through the dozen byways I'd gotten off on before finding the word I was looking for. I still do this, but don't find it a problem, enjoy the diversions.
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#199262 - 04/21/11 04:19 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Avy, it must be nice to understand those old languages. Dictionaries to me are like cars, I just only care for the function. makes me wonder..... 100 words for  I'm reading Arctic Dreams by Barry Lopez. Will get back on the subject when I'll have time. (Jackie !! THE book for hot summer days!)
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#199263 - 04/21/11 06:08 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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#199265 - 04/21/11 08:04 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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I know only 3 languages well. Marathi, Urdu, and English?
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#199274 - 04/21/11 01:12 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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I'm impressed! ! !
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#199277 - 04/21/11 03:35 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Marathi, Hindi, and English. The functional languages I know are Kannada, Tamil and now Konkani (still learning). Urdu is the language I love. I am not very good at it. I am constantly looking up the Urdu dictionary because I read a lot of Urdu poetry. I know this line up sounds impressive, but all Indians are bi,tri,quadri lingual. My understanding is that on a basic conversational level, Urdu and Hindi are pretty much the same. When you get into specialized registers, the vocabulary is different. And of course the scripts are different. I know some Hindi, and a little amount of Sanskrit and Tamil.
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#199282 - 04/21/11 09:00 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
[Re: BranShea]
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I'm reading Arctic Dreams by Barry Lopez. Will get back on the subject when I'll have time.
Yeah, just the thing for 'Summer reading'.....does it have photos? (I have a friend who was 'ships doctor' on trip to Antarctica, and he took some amazing photos of that continent and wildlife). I would love to go to either pole, just to experience the same! To Avy, goofy, Bran and all you others who have knowledge of several languages 
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#199283 - 04/21/11 09:09 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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.....as this is the 'comic relief' thread  I'm posting this here (I was looking for thread were we were discussing knots but I cant find it now! R 18 (only look if you are broad minded) An old retired sailor, puts on his old uniform and heads for the docks once
more, for old times sake.
He engages a prostitute and takes her up to a room.
He's soon going at it as well as he can for a guy his age, but needing some
reassurance, he asks, 'How am I doing??
The prostitute replies, 'Well, Pops, you're doing about three knots.
Three knots? he asks. What's that supposed to mean?
She says, 'You're knot hard, you're knot in, and you're knot getting your
money back.
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#199296 - 04/22/11 11:27 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Good for you Candy. Some should get a laugh, I did.
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#199343 - 04/24/11 08:02 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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#199350 - 04/24/11 10:56 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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You are getting into it.
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#199352 - 04/24/11 11:59 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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#199356 - 04/24/11 02:12 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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heh
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#199377 - 04/25/11 06:05 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Thanks @Candy. What I liked to share is this: (from Arctic Dreams)
"We know more about the rings of Saturn than we know about the narwhal. The Chilean poet and essayist Pablo Neruda wonders in his memoirs how an animal this large can have remained so obscure and uncelebrated. It's name, he thought, was "the most beautiful of undersea names, the name of a sea chalice that sings, the name of a crystal spur." Why, he wondered, had no one taken Narwhal for a last name, or built "a beautiful Narwhal Building?"
Part of the answer lies with the regrettable connotation of death in the animal's name. The pallid color of the narwhal's skin has been likened to that of a drowned human corpse, and it is widely thought that it's name came from the Old Norse for "corps" and "whale, " nár + hvalr. But W.P. Lehman, a professor of Germanic languages, believes the association with death is a linguistic accident. The Old Norse nárhvalr ( whence the English narwhal, the French narval, the German Narwal, etc.), he says, was a vernacular play on the word--- the way high-bred corn is used in place of hybrid corn, or sparrowgrass is used for asparagus.---
According to Lehman, nahvalr is an earlier, West Norse term meaning a "whale distinguished by a long, narrow projection" ( the tusk). "
I'm no expert to confirm this, but I thought it interesting for sharing (quite a bit of typing work, so time needed) :^)
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#199391 - 04/25/11 11:04 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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So, you're saying that narwhal is an eggcorn? It might be. It would explain the presence of the r in the modern forms when there is no r in the Old Norse word.
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#199397 - 04/25/11 01:07 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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That quote from American Heritage Book of English Usage: "A usage such as If I was the only boy in the world may break the rules, but it sounds perfectly natural." is absolutely correct – for someone to whom it sounds perfectly natural. Damn, I always hate it when people generalize. It's confusing advice. I think maybe what they mean is that "if I was" breaks the traditional rule, but it's part of standard written English.
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#199410 - 04/25/11 09:07 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Standard English: what it isn't I think standard English is the variety of English normally used in writing by writers of English. This means it contains a lot of variety.
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#199414 - 04/25/11 10:13 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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There is a lot of variety just on this site.
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#199420 - 04/26/11 02:05 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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....If I was the only boy in the world ...... and I was the only girl!
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#199434 - 04/26/11 01:33 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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And.......?
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#199440 - 04/26/11 03:25 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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#199442 - 04/26/11 04:36 PM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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AAAAHH, I should have guessed.
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#199654 - 05/05/11 11:13 AM
Re: Linguistic therapy
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Poor Pavlov.
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#199876 - 05/16/11 08:27 AM
Whats your business name!
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You know what its like on Wall Street, business are taken over or merge all the time and have to be renamed......sometimes with humours results: Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W.R. Grace Company merge to become Hale Mary Fuller Grace. Polygram Records, Warner Brothers, and Keebler Crackers merge to become Polly-Warner-Cracker. 3M and Goodyear merge to become MMMGood. John Deere and Abitibi-Price merge to become Deere Abi. Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining merge to become Zip Audi Do Da. Honeywell, Imasco, and Home Oil merge to become Honey I'm Home. Denison Mines, and Alliance and Metal Mining merge to become Mine All Mine. Federal Express and UPS merge to become FED UP. Xerox and Wurlitzer will merge and begin manufacturingreproductive organs. Fairchild Electronics and Honeywell Computers will merge and become Fairwell Honeychild. 3M, J.C. Penney and the Canadian Opera Company will merge and become 3 Penney Opera. Knott's Berry Farm & National Organization of Women will merge and become Knott NOW!
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#199880 - 05/16/11 12:00 PM
Re: Whats your business name!
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Adding to your 'sally vaiting', I see. These are clever.
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#199902 - 05/17/11 11:48 AM
Re: Whats your business name!
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Not my 'original thoughts' I just found them somewhere.....but I thought them well worded. I sent them to one friend who said "SCROAN" - It's her word for Screech and Groan. Loved it, she meant.
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#201262 - 07/20/11 06:01 AM
Know your phobia's
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Just a quick quiz.....either check answers yourself or I can mark your reply for you  1. The obsessive fear of tight, enclosed spaces is called: A. agoraphobia B. acrophobia C. claustrophobia D. klaustrophobia 2. The obsessive fear of open public places is called: A. agoraphobia B. acrophobia C. klaustrophobia D. xenophobia 3. The obsessive fear of foreigners is called: A. acrophobia B. xenophobia C. agoraphobia D. claustrophobia 4. The obsessive fear of high places is called: A. agoraphobia B. claustrophobia C. hippophobia D. acrophobia 5. The obsessive fear of the French is called: A. Hellenophobia B. Gallophobia C. Francephobia D. Frenchyphobia 6. The medical name for rabies is: A. homophobia B. hypophobia C. hyperphobia D. hydrophobia 7. The obsessive fear of Greeks is called: A. Hellenophobia B. Grekophobia C. Athenophobia D. Greekophobia 8. The obsessive fear of animals is called: A. hippophobia B. animophobia C. xylophobia D. zoophobia 9. The obsessive fear of deep water is called: A. dipsophobia B. acrophobia C. bathyphobia D. hydrophobia 10. The obsessive fear of horses is called: A. equinophobia B. hippophobia C. bovinophobia D. orsophobia
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#201265 - 07/20/11 07:12 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Just a quick quiz.....either check answers yourself or I can mark your reply for you 1. The obsessive fear of tight, enclosed spaces is called: A. agoraphobia B. acrophobia C. claustrophobia √ D. klaustrophobia 2. The obsessive fear of open public places is called: A. agoraphobia √ B. acrophobia C. klaustrophobia D. xenophobia 3. The obsessive fear of foreigners is called: A. acrophobia B. xenophobia √ C. agoraphobia D. claustrophobia 4. The obsessive fear of high places is called: A. agoraphobia B. claustrophobia C. hippophobia D. acrophobia √5. The obsessive fear of the French is called: A. Hellenophobia B. Gallophobia √ C. Francephobia D. Frenchyphobia 6. The medical name for rabies is: A. homophobia B. hypophobia C. hyperphobia D. hydrophobia √7. The obsessive fear of Greeks is called: A. Hellenophobia √ B. Grekophobia C. Athenophobia D. Greekophobia 8. The obsessive fear of animals is called: A. hippophobia B. animophobia C. xylophobia D. zoophobia √9. The obsessive fear of deep water is called: A. dipsophobia B. acrophobia C. bathyphobia √ D. hydrophobia 10. The obsessive fear of horses is called: A. equinophobia B. hippophobia √ C. bovinophobia D. orsophobia My answers checked in white. Mouse over to see.
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#201274 - 07/20/11 11:02 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
[Re: BranShea]
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I remember that list of phobias somewhere on this sight
or was it WOTD? Baffling.
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#201280 - 07/21/11 06:59 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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hehe and my personal favourite phobia name arachibutyrophobia and guesses as to what it is a phobia of?
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#201282 - 07/21/11 07:50 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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[quote=Candy]....
My answers checked in white. Mouse over to see. Well done Faldo 100%, but then thats to be expected. re-arachibutyrophobia, Bex...I don't know....something to do with arches and butter.....maybe walking through butter with bare feet?
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#201294 - 07/21/11 12:06 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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arachibutyrophobia = fear of flaming spiders?
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#201312 - 07/22/11 09:55 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Eeeuuuuuu! ! !
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#201328 - 07/23/11 04:45 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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haha you are sorta close  but not arachibutyrophobia is the fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth nothing to do with spiders I am afraid...hehe
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#201335 - 07/23/11 11:36 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Considering how many meals I make of Peanut Butter, it is
a good thing that is not one of my phobias.
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#201352 - 07/24/11 05:14 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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haha yes indeedy! My all time favourite sandwich roast chicken and peanut butter mmmm
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#201354 - 07/24/11 07:22 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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I'll have to give that a try: new one to me.
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#201363 - 07/25/11 10:45 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Oh, no--no, no, no. We will NOT have another thread about sandwiches! Been there, done that, and it was awful. mmm...salads?
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#201364 - 07/25/11 11:15 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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How about pb and banana?
Sandwich. Heard about that all my life, have never done that. But have a friend who makes PB and dill pickles.
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#201365 - 07/25/11 11:17 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Oh, no--no, no, no. We will NOT have another thread about sandwiches! Been there, done that, and it was awful. Sorry Jackie, as Trom says, it must have been before my time too. and you know how things go, cycles. The discussion was about phobias and the word for the fear of PB stuck on your palate before it evolved/regressed.
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#201368 - 07/25/11 01:16 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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hehe before myn too to drag it back on topic...any guesses as to what Cibophobiais a phobia of?
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#201380 - 07/26/11 11:35 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Because "cibus" is food (from my Latin days), I'd say something related to food, but being a fear, is it related to fear of food? Like Anorexia? Some sort of food-related disorder. I confess, because honesty is important, that I looked it up in my dictionary, but it is not there. (It is not on the scroll down list, that is.) And that is as far as I looked and had it been I would not post. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/phobia
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#201385 - 07/26/11 06:11 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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I wish I'd learnt Latin. I think you must be correct Ts.... Cibophobia might be the fear of food! it should be noted, at this point, that phobia is being too narrowly defined as 'fear', to wit (from AHD4): 2) A strong fear, dislike, or aversion so cibophobia is more likely defined as :dislike or aversion to food: link
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#201386 - 07/26/11 08:53 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Because "cibus" is food (from my Latin days), I'd say something related to food, but being a fear, is it related to fear of food? Like Anorexia? Some sort of food-related disorder. I confess, because honesty is important, that I looked it up in my dictionary, but it is not there. (It is not on the scroll down list, that is.) And that is as far as I looked and had it been I would not post. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/phobia
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#201395 - 07/27/11 10:10 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Thanks, Olly, very much.
I did not know how the "ignore" works. Seems like he misses
out on a lot. Must be difficult living that way.
Thanks, again.
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#201402 - 07/27/11 05:10 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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He doesn't see your posts Luke but point taken. okay, as I've been clued in by Olly (thanx), I see what happened now, and I'd sum it up by saying I didn't see Luke's link (which defined phobia, as did I, although I explained why I did). I really can't see the "point taken", I guess, since I also defined cibophobia with my link, so it's not like I totally mantled him, even though I'd not seen his post. I'd also posit that the chances of my actually mantling Luke are slim, at best.
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#201445 - 07/30/11 10:42 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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it's a phobia of food in general well done to you translatey people another one if you want: Omphalophobia
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#201451 - 07/30/11 11:49 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Just guessing here, from my Latin days: Omphales, Omphalos or
something of the kind was an ancient queen, of Lydia or some
such place. She had a god (Hercules????)serve her while wearing
a dress. So Fear, aversion to cross-dressing?????
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#201454 - 07/30/11 11:58 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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#201457 - 07/30/11 12:25 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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Sure, I was just remembering the laugh our class got out of the story of that queen. But that was many decades ago. And it is a phobia: so not contemplating one's navel, but an aversion of some sort. Many people today pierce their navel, no aversion there, rather attraction.
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#201482 - 07/31/11 04:37 PM
FDR said it
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(...mixing his languages maybe)
"PHOBOPHOBIA - res ipse loquitur" -- "The only thing we have to fear is Fear itself ." In a manner of speaking...
(Does that sound like the germ of a double-dactyl to anyone else?
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#201486 - 07/31/11 08:08 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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I can't see how being omphalophobia would be a problem
again, it's probly meant as aversion to, rather than fear of, in this instance.
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#201495 - 08/01/11 10:08 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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excepting the last, these are 'real'. Love that cartoon....but I could never catch ' porphyrohobia' purple is my favourite colour.
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#201524 - 08/02/11 10:11 AM
Re: Know your phobia's
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are you say Irrational Fear or Irrational Aversion?
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#201532 - 08/02/11 02:32 PM
Re: Know your phobia's
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I think the preceding word would have to be....irrational, though Bran. I will agree with you if you tell me what a rational dislike is. Can likes and dislikes be rational?
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#201742 - 08/12/11 09:25 AM
Re: A linguistics professor.....
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#201746 - 08/12/11 10:50 AM
Re: A linguistics professor.....
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Not too bad!
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#204106 - 01/07/12 05:29 PM
Re: New Year 2012
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I agree. I have read (I can't remember where and am too lazy to LIU!) that we never forget, but that, if we do not access stuff we have remembered, we can't find where it is filed in our brain-storage discs when we want it some tomme later..
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#204129 - 01/09/12 11:30 AM
Re: New Year 2012
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A Forgettable Theory
from dan.lewis@gmail.com: "Now I Know:That's half the Battle".
Most of us have had this happen: You have a list of tasks to do and walk around your home or office, intent on accomplishing them. The first one is easy -- empty a garbage can or grab a document. You do it and quickly move onto the next, but when you exit the room, you can't manage to recall what the other tasks were. Try as you might, you mind draws a blank.
But don't blame it on getting older or lack of essential vitamins and nutrients in your diet. There's a much more likely culprit: the doorway you just walked through.
In November of 2011, a team of researchers at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana, published a study which suggested that entering and exiting rooms can cause our short term memories to fail us. Their theory: our brains take items in our short term memories and stick them into virtual compartments, with different ideas in different areas -- much like a house or office has different rooms. When we cross through doorways in the physical world, our mental world also passes through what psychology professor and head researcher Gabriel Radvansky calls an "event boundary" -- an action which, in his words, "separates episodes of activity and files them away." Basically, when your body leaves the room, your mind leaves that "to do" list behind.
Unfortunately, one simply can't return to the room to pick up this virtual "to do" list. In one of the experiments Radvansky and his team conducted, his test subjects were asked to walk around from room to room only to end up where they began.
The full study, published in the Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology, is available.
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#204176 - 01/11/12 11:41 AM
Re: New Year 2012
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Total recall, the ability of someone to remember every word they read or hear, has often been lauded as tantamount to a high level of intelligence. The opposite is more often the case. Those with total recall often have difficulty making decisions, and more readily miss understanding the overall point of a book or lecture - because they get enmeshed in an undistinguishable mass of irrelevant details. Forgetting, it turns out, has enormous value for concise understanding and for emotional health:
"Solomon Shereshevsky could recite entire speeches, word for word, after hearing them once. In minutes, he memorized complex math formulas, passages in foreign languages and tables consisting of 50 numbers or nonsense syllables. The traces of these sequences were so durably etched in his brain that he could reproduce them years later, according to Russian psychologist Alexander R. Luria, who wrote about the man he called, simply, 'S' in The Mind of a Mnemonist.
"But the weight of all the memories, piled up and overlapping in his brain, created crippling confusion. S could not fathom the meaning of a story, because the words got in the way. 'No,' [S] would say. 'This is too much. Each word calls up images; they collide with one another, and the result is chaos. I can't make anything out of this.' When S was asked to make decisions, as chair of a union group, he could not parse the situation as a whole, tripped up as he was on irrelevant details. He made a living performing feats of recollection.
"Yet he desperately wanted to forget. In one futile attempt, he wrote down items he wanted purged from his mind and burned the paper. Although S's efforts to rein in his memory were unusually vigilant, we all need - and often struggle - to forget. "Human memory is pretty good," says cognitive neuro-scientist Benjamin J. Levy of Stanford Univer- sity. "The problem with our memories is not that nothing comes to mind-but that irrelevant stuff comes to mind."
"The act of forgetting crafts and hones data in the brain as if carving a statue from a block of marble. It enables us to make sense of the world by clearing a path to the thoughts that are truly valuable. It also aids emotional recovery. 'You want to forget embarrassing things,' says cognitive neuroscientist Zara Bergstrom of the University of Cambridge. 'Or if you argue with your partner, you want to move on.' In recent years researchers have amassed evidence for our ability to willfully forget. They have sketched out a neural circuit underlying this skill analogous to the one that inhibits impulsive actions.
"The emerging data provide the first scientific support for Sigmund Freud's controversial theory of repression, by which unwanted memories are shoved into the subconscious. The new evidence suggests that the ability to repress is quite useful. Those who cannot do this well tend to let thoughts stick in their mind. They ruminate, which can pave a path to depression. Weak restraints on memory may similarly impede the emotional recovery of trauma victims. Lacking brakes on mental intrusions, individuals with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) are also more likely to be among the forgetless (to coin a term). In short, memory - and forgetting - can shape your personality."
Author: Ingrid Wickelgren
Title: "Trying to Forget"
Publisher: Scientific American Mind
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#204180 - 01/11/12 09:55 PM
Re: New Year 2012
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...the ability to repress is quite useful. Those who cannot do this well tend to let thoughts stick in their mind. They ruminate, which can pave a path to depression. And/or OCD. I knew someone with this; it took the form of obsession far more than compulsion. Attention really does affect how well you remember something--or don't. I confess that I tend not to remember things if I think I'm not going to need that information again. I had a really high GPA in college because most of the tests consisted of having to spit back out a ton of force-fed facts; but within a few weeks I'd forget most of them. I have tried to do better with peoples' names lately. Used to be, if I met someone more or less in passing--"Jackie, this is my cousin Cecelia Jones; she's visiting from Arizona"--I wouldn't remember the name by the time I left the party. 
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#206774 - 08/22/12 11:20 PM
In other words....
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#206779 - 08/23/12 06:19 AM
Re: In other words....
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But maybe we should! Txt lang has been cre8d for a reason and is becoming a dynamic entity. I xpct it soon to Bcome a literary medium.
(BTW, I - along with many others - was using B4 as an abrev. way back in 1959!)
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#206780 - 08/23/12 11:42 AM
Re: In other words....
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Rhuby since you are so versatile perhaps you could
translate the chalkboard comment for me. I don't speak
text.
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#206783 - 08/23/12 01:14 PM
Re: In other words....
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thanks, I guess. Think I'll stick to English, not
textspeak, but I appreciate your response.
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#206784 - 08/23/12 02:33 PM
Re: In other words....
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And to bring you even further up to date, it ain't a chalkboard he's using (I've not seen one of those in the past ten years - worse luck!) it's a 'whiteboard', which is a plastic-ish surface that will take dry marker pens, the markings of which rub off the board with a duster. Much the same as a chalk board, really, except they cost twice as much, the markers cost five times more than chalk*, and last for one tenth of the time. This is PROGRESS! Stand in it'sway at your peril.
(Also, you throw a marker pen at a recalcitrant student - and you find you're before the beak on an assault charge!)
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edit* By which I mean, 1 marker pen costs five times as much as A PACKET of chalk and lasts one tenth of the time of ONE PIECE of chalk!
Edited by Rhubarb Commando (08/23/12 02:37 PM)
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#206786 - 08/23/12 05:56 PM
Re: In other words....
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And to bring you even further up to date, it ain't a chalkboard he's using (I've not seen one of those in the past ten years - worse luck!) it's a 'whiteboard', which is a plastic-ish surface that will take dry marker pens, the markings of which rub off the board with a duster. Much the same as a chalk board, really, except they cost twice as much, the markers cost five times more than chalk*, and last for one tenth of the time. This is PROGRESS! Stand in it'sway at your peril.
(Also, you throw a marker pen at a recalcitrant student - and you find you're before the beak on an assault charge!)
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edit* By which I mean, 1 marker pen costs five times as much as A PACKET of chalk and lasts one tenth of the time of ONE PIECE of chalk! Yup, we had them when I was teaching: "dry erase boards".
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