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#195218 - 12/21/10 10:08 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: Aramis]
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Just have the intellectual starch to know what you are saying; that is all we at the IPS are asking.

Not only do I know what I'm saying when I say "PIN" or "ATM", but I also know what folks mean when they say "PIN number" or "ATM machine". You know you could just start shooting people who don't speak as you would have them. After a while that would solve the problem. Of course, the overly corrected could start shooting back. Then your grammato-jihad would be in full swing. A what a semantic paradise.
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#195222 - 12/22/10 07:14 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: zmjezhd]
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Can I shoot the people who say "titmouse"?

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#195223 - 12/22/10 08:15 AM Re: heu, ad lunam [Re: Faldage]
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Can I shoot the people who say "titmouse"?

Now you're getting into the spirit of the angry vulgus nobile of POed normative grammarians. Shooting's too good for the folks who use annoying constructions.

First they shot the people who said "ATM machine", and I did nothing. Next they came for the people who said "air" for err, and I did nothing. Finally they came for me, because I pronounced distributed with the accent on the second syllable instead of the first ( la RP in excelsis), and nobody was left to speak the language, and the peevers would not speak to one another because they did not approve of the contradictory shibboleths and quibbles of their fellow grammaticasters, so they sat around, tongued-tied in damp silence.
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#195225 - 12/22/10 08:18 AM Re: heu, ad lunam [Re: zmjezhd]
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
First they shot the people who said "ATM machine", and I did nothing. Next they came for the people who said "air" for err, and I did nothing. Finally they came for me, because I pronounced distributed with the accent on the second syllable instead of the first ( la RP in excelsis), and nobody was left to speak the language, and the peevers would not speak to one another because they did not approve of the contradictory shibboleths and quibbles of their fellow grammaticasters, so they sat around, tongued-tied in damp silence.



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#195253 - 12/23/10 07:57 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]
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Does anyone else see it as a malignant spoonerism?

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#195254 - 12/23/10 10:50 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: doc_comfort]
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Originally Posted By: doc_comfort

Does anyone else see it as a malignant spoonerism?


What? Neoplasm?

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#195282 - 12/24/10 02:36 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]
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BTW, all y'all that are fighting against the use of the phrase "ATM machine" would appear to be fighting a will-o-the-wisp.

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#195283 - 12/24/10 02:45 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: Faldage]
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Ah but that only covers books and anyone writing a book and including ATM machine are sure to be corrected by their editors. What Ngram doesn't take into account is day to day speech, which is where ATM machine crops up the most...
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#195289 - 12/24/10 06:29 PM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]
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Unless it's fiction and the author is representing the speech of normal type folks.

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#195919 - 01/11/11 09:36 AM Re: Pleonasm [Re: RonDavis]
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Thanks for the info.............
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