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#1970 - 08/12/00 01:54 PM Re: Politics and the Press
william Offline
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Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 200
Jackie,

thanks so much for the long and fascinating post.
there is so much here.
i've seen some shows on genetics and identical twins, genetics and super intelligent people, on the tv. what always puzzles me is how genetics can be responsible for people being both the same and different! i guess i don't really follow it.

i don't agree that scientists know what birds think. we can only understand in terms of tests we give them. being a bird and thinking bird thoughts would be an experience no scientist could predict or understand. what kind of success rate do psychiatrists have? do they really understand our minds?

your stories of neglected children are kind of gut wrenching. as you put it so well, the parents are often suffering just as badly. when families go wrong it must be so difficult to have any positive influence. and of course it's not just families that go wrong.
when i was a teenager (and still optimistic about the world) i had a realisation that jails don't help anybody. if we really want to help criminals (and society), we should provide programs that actually rehabilitate them. now i think about it, the same goes for a lot of our institutions: schools, companies, government. these are things we can do something about. children who have terrible experiences at home, as you said, go on to look for love in other places. i don't know about other schools, but you couldn't have squeezed a drop of love out of most the teachers at my school if you ran 'em individually through a wringer.

i guess we could all start by following your example, jackie. your comments ring like bells across the internet, kind and full of hope.


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#1971 - 08/12/00 03:26 PM Re: Politics and the Press
Jackie Offline

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Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 11609
Loc: Louisville, Kentucky
Thank you, william. You are sweet to say so!


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#1972 - 08/13/00 02:09 AM Re: Politics and the Press
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 04/09/00
Posts: 3065
Loc: Jakarta
In reply to:

my point is that it's facile to say the media causes us to buy, kill, hate, vote and so on. each decision in these areas comes from somewhere inside the mind of an individual. if you could open that place up and look, it wouldn't contain a newspaper.


I would say you might find a newspaper or TV or whatever plus a whole load of other stuff from that particular person's history. I would definitely agree though that it's facile to point to just one cause for anything as complex as human behaviour.





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#1973 - 08/13/00 11:25 AM Re: Politics and the Press
william Offline
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Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 200
>I would say you might find a newspaper or TV or whatever plus a whole load of other stuff from that particular person's history. I would definitely agree though that it's facile to point to just one cause for anything as complex as human behaviour.



i would say you might find some kind of image of a newspaper and whole lots of mind images as well, plus some kind of decision mechanism. but of course finding this would be like placing the start of a river.







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#1974 - 09/14/00 02:59 AM The British Press
jmh Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
I noticed that Bridget mentioned the "P" word in another thread - here is a much quoted listing of British Newpapers:

The Times:
Read by the people who run the country.
Daily Mirror:
Read by the people who think they run the country.
Guardian:
Read by the people who think they ought to run the country.
Morning Star:
Read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country.
Daily Mail:
Read by the wives of the people who own the country.
Financial Times:
Read by the people who own the country.
Daily Express:
Read by the people who think that the country ought to be run as it used to be.
Daily Telegraph:
Read by the people who think it still is.
The Sun:
Their readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's happy to pose topless!


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