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#19264 - 03/04/01 03:38 PM Re: Hebrew & Arabic
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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what is Noho ora mai?

It is the closing salutation used on NZ's Maori language TV news bulletin, and expresses a sentiment very similar to shalom aleichem. "Noho" means "continue" or "remain", "ora" means "health, well-being,peace", and "mai" is a preposition meaning "toward". Perhaps the best English equivalents are themselves translations from the Vulcan: "Live long and prosper", "peace and long life".




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#19265 - 03/04/01 03:50 PM Re: Hebrew & Arabic
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Perhaps the best English equivalents are themselves translations from the Vulcan: "Live long and prosper", "peace and long life".


Which hand signal is from the Kabballah - the mystical side of Judaism - and can be seen in paintings and images in some of the very old synagogues in S'fat (up in the Galil).

BTW - I understand there is something very significant about a person that can actually make this hand signal without any effort - and it happens that I am one of them, so I hope the significance is good!

Whaddyathink?

Shoshannah

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#19266 - 03/04/01 03:57 PM Re: Hebrew & Arabic
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BTW - I understand there is something very significant about a person that can actually make this hand signal without any effort

Really? I have never been able to understand how anybody could have trouble with the gesture. Even with my functionally impaired right hand, it's not that hard, with my left, it's almost autonomic.


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#19267 - 03/04/01 04:18 PM Re: Hebrew & Arabic
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I have never been able to understand how anybody could have trouble with the gesture.


Me neither - but others have told me they can NOT do it!

Actually, the reason you nor I have trouble doing this is because we were born with the correct gene - probably something inherited from the Vulcans who originally inhabited this planet (and, of course, taught it to the Kabbalists which is how Leonard Nimoy learned it - when he was researching ancient Vulcan culture in preparing for his role...) and may be watching us even now as we go about our daily lives or take too much time out of it to post messages to this board!

Ya know - the Vulcans actually liked living here, but then they decided to import Tribbles to be their pets and, well, the rest is history, as they say (sort of like what kudzu did to the roadsides of the southern USA).

And, now that I've passed from being a stranger to being a newbie (b'hatz-la-chah to me), I can say, with a clear conscience and a good feeling way deep down inside... Lila tov and see you all on the 'morrow!

Shoshannah

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#19268 - 03/05/01 11:36 PM Re: gestures
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Really? I have never been able to understand how anybody could have trouble with the gesture. Even with my functionally impaired right hand, it's not that hard, with my left, it's almost autonomic.


Well, I can do the Vulcan greeting gesture with my right hand, but if I try with my left hand all it produces is a trembling in my little and ring fingers. My left hand doesn't seem to be otherwise impaired.

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#19269 - 03/06/01 12:37 PM Re: gestures -Vulcan trivia
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I can make the Vulcan "sign" with both hands, equally well {puffed with pride icon soon to be deflated she fears}
Did you know that Captain Kirk could not make the sign and when it was necessary he do so for the plot they had to tie the fingers to each other?
Must be genetic, like being able to curl the edges of the tongue while sticking it out!
{prepared for onslaught she slinks away}
wow


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#19270 - 03/06/01 03:29 PM Re: gestures -Vulcan trivia
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I can make the Vulcan "sign" with both hands, equally well {puffed with pride icon soon to be deflated she fears}
Did you know that Captain Kirk could not make the sign and when it was necessary he do so for the plot they had to tie the fingers to each other?
Must be genetic, like being able to curl the edges of the tongue while sticking it out!
{prepared for onslaught she slinks away}


Okay - if you're slinking, so am I 'cause I can do the Vulcan sign with both hands WHILE curling the edges of my tongue when sticking it out... there must be a word for this condition??????

I did not know that about Captain Kirk - well, I knew he couldn't actually make the sign himself, but I didn't realize they had to tie his fingers together... In this day, they'd simply superimpose someone else's hand onto the picture using computer imagery... oooh, that was interesting [yawning as she tries to find the send button emoticon]

Shoshannah

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#19271 - 03/06/01 03:47 PM Re: gestures -Vulcan trivia
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Okay - if you're slinking, so am I 'cause I can do the Vulcan sign with both hands WHILE curling the edges of my tongue when sticking it out... there must be a word for this condition??????

The two functions must be common together, as I am also able to make the Vulcan gesture with both hands while poking out my curled tongue. It seems curious that almost the only thing I can do with my righ hand is make a gesture of salutation and peace. Curious, yet apt.



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#19272 - 03/06/01 04:18 PM Re: gestures -Vulcan trivia
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>Okay - if you're slinking, so am I 'cause I can do the Vulcan sign with both hands WHILE curling the edges of my tongue when sticking it out... there must be a word for this condition??????

Well, the way I see it, the world is made up of the Vul-cans and the Vul-can'ts ~ [unrelenting need to make the puns that are too cheap for TEd to touch emoticon]



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#19273 - 03/06/01 04:37 PM Re: gestures -Vulcan trivia
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And let us hope none of those signs are Vul-gar.


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