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#19124 - 03/09/01 03:41 AM Re: Attitudes
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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What about the French revisionist academics who keep telling us it was all a ghastly mistake,

Or the Canterbury & Waikato university revisionist academics, for that matter. [hanging-head-in-shame-emoticon]


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#19125 - 03/09/01 05:53 AM Re: Attitudes
shanks Offline
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shanks asserts What happened at Auschwitz is not deniable.

Oh? What about the French revisionist academics who keep telling us it was all a ghastly mistake, that Hitler wasn't aware of what was going on, that it wasn't going on at all anyway, and that the Jews are exaggerating about the numbers who were killed for their own arcane political purposes in the camps which weren't death camps at all?


Peccavi.

I should have said irrefutable instead of not deniable.

cheer

the sunshine warrior


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#19126 - 03/09/01 05:55 AM Re: Attitudes
shanks Offline
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While I agree with the general tenor of your post, shanks, the above seemed just a little too sweeping. Surely the victims bear no guilt, be they Jews or one of the three million or so non-Jews who were also victims of the Nazi barbarism?

Bel, in her response to you, explains it better than I could. Is there a word for that sense of responsibility?

cheer

the sunshine warrior


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#19127 - 03/09/01 10:18 AM Re: Attitudes
wwh Offline
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Dear shanks: conscience ?


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#19128 - 03/09/01 12:38 PM Re: Attitudes
Bobyoungbalt Offline
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Shanks and WWH:

How about "penitance".


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#19129 - 03/09/01 12:46 PM Re: Attitudes
wwh Offline
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Conscience is an indispensible precursor to penitence.


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#19130 - 03/09/01 01:29 PM Re: Attitudes
Bobyoungbalt Offline
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True, but it doesn't necessarily lead anywhere. Otherwise, you would not have the concept that faith without works is dead. St. Augustine had a conscience, but he kept praying, "Make me pure -- but not yet."

One of the essential parts of penitence is the intention to undo what wrong one has done to whatever extent may be possible, or to make reparations to whatever extent is possible.


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#19131 - 03/09/01 02:07 PM Re: Attitudes
wow Offline
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May I suggest that you type "Holocaust Museum" in your search engine and visit the site, then perhaps visit the Museum if you are in Washington, D.C., USA.
wow


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#19132 - 03/09/01 02:53 PM Re: Attitudes
wwh Offline
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"St. Augustine had a conscience, but he kept praying, "Make me pure -- but not yet."

But he said that a long time before he became a Saint!


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#19133 - 03/10/01 03:58 AM Re: Attitudes
Capital Kiwi Offline
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shanks remorsefully muttered I should have said irrefutable instead of not deniable.

And I should have added a tongue-in-cheek emoticon. I don't believe the revisionist French (and NZ) academics for one second! One of my friends' uncles was among the first into one of the concentration camps (?Belsen-Bergen) and I don't really think he was making it up ...

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