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#188745 - 01/14/10 09:44 AM canonical, from canon to cannons !?
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(I'm not sure this is the right place to write/ask, but i'll do it).

In today's word, "canonical", the etymology says

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ETYMOLOGY:
From Latin canon (measuring rod, rule), from Greek kanon (rule).


I am trying to understand the link between the Latin and Greek and the more modern "canon" (or cannon as it seems to be spelled in English) which is a piece of artillery.

"Obvious" reasoning would suggest that the first cannons were measured with a measuring rod (?) but that's just a hypothesis.

Does anyone know how the word (and spelling evolved to this ?

thanks
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#188747 - 01/14/10 11:15 AM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: 1 = 0]
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Check this link: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cannon

It appears more related to cannoli than canon... :0)

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#188760 - 01/14/10 07:52 PM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: 1 = 0]
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I am trying to understand the link between the Latin and Greek and the more modern "canon" (or cannon as it seems to be spelled in English) which is a piece of artillery.

The link between the Latin and the Greek is that the Romans borrowed the Greek word. The weapon cannon ultimately comes from the Latin word canna 'tube' with an augmentative suffix, i.e., 'big tube'.
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#188764 - 01/14/10 09:20 PM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: 1 = 0]
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is it safe to assume that there is a relationship between the English 'canon' and the Hindi कानून 'kAnUn', meaning 'law'?

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#188771 - 01/15/10 12:09 AM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: latishya]
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is it safe to assume that there is a relationship between the English 'canon' and the Hindi कानून 'kAnUn', meaning 'law'?

I'd say there is, and it is a case of Hindi borrowing the English word.
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#188772 - 01/15/10 04:43 AM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: zmjezhd]
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thank you that makes sense.

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#188774 - 01/15/10 06:00 AM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: twosleepy]
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Originally Posted By: twosleepy
Check this link: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cannon

It appears more related to cannoli than canon... :0)

So cannoli and cannon come from the same L. canna.
Aye...cannoli Link (I've eaten the missing one)

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#188782 - 01/15/10 04:13 PM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: BranShea]
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I get some cannoli weekly from a friend who does catering.
Brings me some left over's. Love'em and love him for doing so.
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#188789 - 01/15/10 05:58 PM Re: canonical, from canon to cannons !? [Re: LukeJavan8]
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A great quote from The Godfather:

Clemenza: Leave the gun; take the cannoli.

The clip on YouTube.
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#188790 - 01/15/10 09:39 PM Cannas [Re: zmjezhd]
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