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Originally Posted By: dalehileman
Here's a listing up with which I cannot put


You will note that if you un-pied-pipe the "up with" you will get Here's a listing which I cannot put up with that violates the which/that rule.

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if you un-pied-pipe the "up with"

Pied-piping was one of the many linguistic neologisms coined by the John R Ross (link).
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Ross is also well known for his onomastic fecundity; he has coined many new terms describing syntactic phenomena that are well-known to this day, including copula switch, Do-Gobbling, freeze(s), gapping, heavy NP shift, (inner) islands, myopia, the penthouse principle, pied piping, pruning, scrambling, siamese sentences. sluicing, slifting, sloppy identity, sounding, squib, squishes, viability, and syntactic islands. Relating to syntactic islands, he also coined the terms "left-branch condition", "complex-np constraint", "coordinate structure constraint", and "sentential subject constraint". In phonology, he suggested the term conspiracy to Charles Kisseberth.


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o avoid adjectives and adverbs
o avoid fancy words(!)
o [and for daleh, and Faldo too; see #6 above] avoid needless words

give White some credit though, for (in his added chapter, An Approach to Style) relaxing some strictures such as those against split-infinitives and prepositional endings.

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What a great thread! I can't think of any, though I have wracked my brain. Will post if I come up with one. Hmm--maybe the rule about using among or between; but that's prolly too weak to be a top-tenner.

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Originally Posted By: Jackie
What a great thread! I can't think of any, though I have wracked my brain. Will post if I come up with one. Hmm--maybe the rule about using among or between; but that's prolly too weak to be a top-tenner.


But there might be a whole class of rules that have their seeds in the old dual vs. plural numbers.

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old dual vs. plural numbers

Ah, yes. The between or among nonsense. And, isn't there something about couple, few, and several?


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I'm also thinking of things like "May the best man win" when there's only two guys competing.

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I'm also thinking of things like "May the best man win" when there's only two guys competing.


that's one I've never heard *anyone complain about.

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that's one I've never heard *anyone complain about

Oh, I have. Thanks for the nudge in the noggin, Faldo.


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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
that's one I've never heard *anyone complain about

Oh, I have. Thanks for the nudge in the noggin, Faldo.


i have not heard this but is the complaint alleging that it should be "better" not "best"?

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