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zmjezhd #185928 07/19/09 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
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I have never heard this, but it makes no sense at all.


It is gratifying to know thta I was not the only one who thought this way.

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Speaking of new words

http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/185767/New_words_in_Webster_s_Collegi#Post185767

zm, forgive me but doesn't a condition or concept almost always exist before the word for it


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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
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silent t

I have never heard this, but it makes no sense at all.


It is gratifying to know thta I was not the only one who thought this way.


I was in about fourth grade when I read it aloud as "robo" whereupon our teacher corrected me with utter certainty. But I when looked it up in the appendix of the very schoolbook in which the phrase was used--I think it was on geography--much to her surprise it was indeed given as "robo"


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much to her surprise it was indeed given as "robo"

That explains a lot, dahil. You're French. But, seriously, unless you can find this schoolbook (perhaps on Google books, link) I'll stick with what I've heard.


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doesn't a condition or concept almost always exist before the word for it

I'm not sure, even for human languages, but they would never have coined the term in xenolinguistics (link) if they hadn't needed it. But, seriously, dahil, if I run across a word I've never seen or used before, then the word does precede the concept. Also, if the word changes in meaning, then it precedes its (newer) concept.


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Quite often something new is developed and existing words are used to refer to it before it gets a word of its own. One example might be the horseless carriage. In other cases existing words might be used to refer to something and the old word might stick around, such as a recording.

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Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
much to her surprise it was indeed given as "robo"

That explains a lot, dahil. You're French. But, seriously, unless you can find this schoolbook (perhaps on Google books, link) I'll stick with what I've heard.


Stick with it zm: That was 70 years ago and I would suppose the tome is long out of print

I do in fact have a bit of French blood but it's the German in me which recalls technicalities such as arose that day in class


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Schoolbooks are often wrong. I've always heard it as ROW BOT' or less often as ROW' BUTT. When my spawn were much younger, we read aloud RUR and others of Capek's plays amongst ourselves. It's an interesting read - IIRC, humanity is destroyed and replaced by its creations who develop human emotions.

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Originally Posted By: dalehileman
I do in fact have a bit of French blood but it's the German in me which recalls technicalities such as arose that day in class

But it's not French blood Fieldgunner (hello Fg ) was looking for, Dale. It's Camiroļan blood he's been after. And bellotas nuts. I only saw Robo without the t in Robocop.

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You and I have differing opinions about when science fiction began as a genre. I trace it back at least to Lucian's True History (2nd century CE, Αληθη Διηγηματα). A wee bit before Azimov's time.

I'd like to hear more if you don't mind. I'm of the mind that Sci-fi is at least definable by the Science and Technology of the contemporary era. I haven't read 'True story' but would now like to. from what I've gleaned from online sources, it seems to bend toward the fantasy genre a tad bit. But, I dunno!

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