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'innit' seems to have taken over my household at the moment.
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Everybody seems to be a "wannabe" these days. There is some comfort, at least "Zig-A-Zig Ah" got left behind in the last century.
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There is some comfort, at least "Zig-A-Zig Ah" got left behind in the last century.
Really? Really? Really?
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Seems many of us feel that gonna/gotta/wanna are okay spoken but not so okay when written. How does this apply to "gotten?" As in "I haven't gotten sick in a long time, but now I don't feel so good."
It strikes me as a little different from the "going to" vs. "gonna" distinction, as the tense it suggests is a bit different from simply "got." But I could just say "I haven't been sick..." Anyway - whatcha think?
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I was under the impression that "gotten" was a perfectly good word (long after being steered away from using it in school). A quick check on Webster's online lists it as "obsolescent". Hmm. I still hear it (and use it in everyday speech) a lot.
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"Gotten" is perfectly normal usage in the U.S. for some purposes, as in "I've gotten a bit heavy lately." British usage, which I suppose heavily influences Canadian usage, would use "got" in such a sentence. However, we would not say, "I've gotten a little list." That would be "got", same as British.
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Just speculating on very little evidence because I don't use gotten at all, but for those who do use both would "I've gotten" refer to the result of a process that takes time while "I've got" would be used where the obtaining could be viewed as instantaneous?
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Just speculating on very little evidence because I don't use gotten at all, but for those who do use both
would "I've gotten" refer to the result of a process that takes time while "I've got" would be used where
the obtaining could be viewed as instantaneous?
I would use them thusly:
"I've gotten a bit heavy" - does imply it's taken some time, but also that I ain't done fattening up
"I got a bit heavy" - could imply a sudden heaviness (after falling in the pool and soaking all my clothes, I got heavier - awkward example, but one doesn't often get heavy suddenly), but could also suggest something like "While living in Italy and eating lots of pasta and drinking lots of Chianti, I got pretty heavy, but have since slimmed down" (Note: true story)
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Equally unsure of source right now, Bingley, but I thought 'gotten' was the Elizabethan form, exported to Amerikay and remaining one of those distinctive time-warped features of the USA tongue.
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It may be only my impression, but here is what I think: "I've got" would normally be used in Britain both for the "becoming" meaning ("I've got a bit heavier lately"), and the plain "possession" meaning ("I've got a little list"). In the States, "I've gotten" would normally be used for the continuing meaning ("I've gotten a bit heavier lately"), but the possession meaning would be expressed without "got", simply as "I have a list" or "I don't have a list". This is what I have surmised from listening to Brits and USns, have I got it approximately right? No idea about Canadians or other species... 
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