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I used to really enjoy philosophy as a teenager, from Plato to Baudrillard. Then, for no special reason, I started reading a lot more popular science.

I've read ten-odd such non-fiction books so far this year, on subjects ranging from the cosmos to skeptical thinking; brain dynamics; logical fallacies; memory, etc. But they all have this in common: their authors use plain but compelling English, and support their arguments by evoking evidence. Their premises and conclusions are, or try to be, clear and logical.

I think they have ruined forever my enjoyment of philosophy.

Science is now explaining the world. What does philosophy do? You might reply: Philosophy attempts to answer questions that science cannot, but I'm starting to think that is because those questions are stupid, or at least pointless, based as they are on invincibly "undisprovable" presuppositions. (What is the meaning of life? The question presupposes there is a meaning.) Perhaps, then, philosophy survives as literature. Perhaps. But IMHO, pretty shabby literature.

You may beg to differ.

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It's philosophy's own fault. Hume's fork excludes anything metaphysical or anything that cannot be described mathematically or proved experimentally. Unfortunately this includes speculative philosophy (including ironically Hume's fork itself!).

I blame it on Hume (and Kant). But I don't accept their conclusions. I prefer Pascal. I'm one of those philosophical dinosaurs who still believes in divine revelation.

"Faith has Reasons that Reason knows nothing of." - Blaise Pascal

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I read philosophy infrequently. I never could quite understand philosophy, although I thought that I should. My first brush with 'official' philo was reading the Meno. Great stuff, but the value of philosophers isn't that what they say is true. I didn't realize that at the time (middle school). I thought "they must be right and I'm just not smart enough." Took me a wrong time to understand, "No wait! plato was ridiculous at that point! he's no less a genius, but at that point he was absurd." Some modern philosophers don't seem to know what they're talking about - witness the gibberish uttered about falsificationism. (Popper was brilliant, but his later critics are just idiots.)

I tried very hard to read philosophy and to understand it - Kant's prolegomena is one of only a handful of books I've read 3 times and yet I could not explain one iota of what it means. I understand that I am not as smart as kant, but I also know that I'm not stupid just because Kant makes no sense to me.

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"Until you understand a writer’s ignorance," said Coleridge, "presume yourself ignorant of his understanding."

That is a fair admonition in most cases. However, with sufficient effort a reasonably intelligent person should be able to understand any philosophical idea that can be expressed in words. If a piece of writing is impenetrable to someone after many readings, and the reader understands the thesis when it is expressed by others in plain English, the fault is clearly in the writing. The author has failed to express himself clearly. Why?

At the moment I am reading Camus. I understand his philosophical position and its implications. I understand the lengthy introduction by the professor of philosophy. Then I launch into The Myth of Sisyphus and almost can't make head or tail of a single sentence.

In philosophy cant is a ruse. Sometimes, it is used to mask mediocre thought. Sometimes the author wants us to take his impenetrable verbosity for profundity; to make us cow before him in intellectual humiliation. I don't think it happens consciously. But I think philosophers who want to be thought great intellectuals are tempted to fudge sentences so that their ideas seem more complex than they really are.

Intellectual vanity is really quite an absurd thing.

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Does Zen count

Some of its advocates deny it's a philosophy


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Bob Marley used it a lot in his music;

Misty mornin', don't see no sun;
I know you're out there somewhere having fun.
There is one mystery - yea-ea-eah - I just can't express:
To give your more, to receive your less.
One of my good friend said, in a reggae riddim,
"Don't jump in the water, if you can't swim."
The power of philosophy - yea-ea-eah - floats through my head
Light like a feather, heavy as lead;
Light like a feather, heavy as lead, yeah.



It's good for expressing what you can't express.

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 Originally Posted By: Hydra
If a piece of writing is impenetrable to someone after many readings, and the reader understands the thesis when it is expressed by others in plain English, the fault is clearly in the writing. The author has failed to express himself clearly.

Since most philosophers have not written in English, plain or otherwise, that's not necessarily so. There is also the question of translation, cultural considerations, etc. The fault might not always be with the philosopher.

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Perhaps.

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But....

My customer review at Amazon says everything else I wanted to say about Camus:


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Shabby Philosophical Cant

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I do not have any special quarrel with Camus' thesis, which is neither very complex nor very controversial. I am going to summarize it in plain English. Doing so, showing that it can be done, will bear out my criticism of Camus' writing.

Man thirsts for a holistic meaning from life that life cannot give him. It is this simple fact that constitutes the absurd, in the face of which Camus asks (with all the subtlety of a battering ram): Shall we all therefore commit suicide? His answer is, in short, no. The act of suicide symbolizes the triumph of both life and death over the individual, cutting the Gordian knot of the absurd without unravelling it. What then is man to do? According to Camus, he must do two things. Firstly, he must remain aware of the fact that life is absurd; that is, he must not be tempted to escape into oblivion. That much is clear. Camus' second imperative is both more obscure and more interesting, but what it amounts to is this: man must try to find a defiant enjoyment in, or in spite of, his absurd existence. If he can do this--if Sisyphus can admit that he is not unhappy, and smirk to himself as he descends for the millionth or billionth time after his ridiculous bolder, that ineradicable smirk is sufficient to undermine the gods that are punishing him and the universe in which that punishment is his fate. This is our only hope of defeating or at least of negotiating the absurd.

The problem with this book is not in the matter but in the mode, for Camus presents this not-particularly-complex thesis in the most obfuscatory philosophical cant that has ever been inflicted on the reading public.

I will focus by way of illustration on a single aspect of his writing style (or lack thereof), though I warn you that it is abundantly bad in almost every aspect.

Camus likes to introduce everyday words and phrases which, as his usage makes clear, are being given idiosyncratic meanings known only to Camus. He does not pause to clarify for the innocent reader what he means. Nor does he pause to substantiate the vaguest of presuppositions he uses these terms to postulate. Instead, he goes on, breathlessly, to combine them in new sentences from which additional, even more idiosyncratic ideas and presuppositions are extrapolated, and in which still more words are introduced from his maddening idiolect--and so on, in a kind of second- and third- and fourth-order multiplication of ambiguities. A single example will suffice (which, by the way, heads up a new section and is in no way foregrounded by his preceding paragraphs):

"Deep feelings always mean more than they are conscious of saying. The regularity of an impulse or a repulsion in a soul is encountered again in habits of doing or thinking, is reproduced in consequences of which the soul itself knows nothing. Great feelings take with them their own universe, splendid or abject. They light up with their passion an exclusive world in which they recognize their climate."

And again, with a question mark in square brackets to indicate where, I believe, Camus sorely owes his readers an explanation:

"Deep feelings [?] always mean [?] more than they are conscious [?] of saying [?]. The regularity of an impulse or a repulsion in a soul [?] is encountered again in habits of doing or thinking, is reproduced in consequences [?] of which the soul [?] itself knows nothing [?]. Great feelings [?] take with them [?] their own universe [?], splendid [?] or abject [?]. They light up [?] with their passion [?] an exclusive [?] world [?] in which they recognize [?] their climate [?!]. ... "

This pointless and pretentious fudging of sentences is done, it must be assumed, in order to make Camus' thesis appear more complex, more esoteric than it really is. The motive for his crime against the word is literary vanity. Or perhaps the game with which Camus finds defiant enjoyment in the absurdity of existence consists of avenging himself on his readers with his atrocious writing. Whatever the answer, the result is shabby, muddy, and bordering on complete gobbledegook. (I have read difficult books of philosophy before, from Baudrillard to Derrida, "in the unoriginal" and doubt very much that the blame can be laid squarely on James Wood, Camus' translator).

To conclude: His thesis, as I say, has some merit. But for that, why not consult Wikipedia. Hell, edit the page yourself. You'd be hard pressed to do a worse job at clarifying Camus than Camus has done in this complete abortion of a text.


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Maybe someone should have asked Camus this question:


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