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#17250 - 01/29/01 12:59 PM Re: Callipygian MAY be a compliment
tsuwm Offline
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>One of her books included the pronunciation of the name Siobhan.

as chance would have it, I've always wondered how to pronounce Siobhan....

(is is *really sha-bang??)


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#17251 - 01/29/01 01:03 PM Re: Callipygian MAY be a compliment
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"We are the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things."


Hmmm, where have I read that before? Oh, I know, 1 Corinthians 4:13.


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#17252 - 01/29/01 01:10 PM Re: Callipygian MAY be a compliment
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how to pronounce Siobhan

I think it's Shi-VORN - but a daughter of the swan should be able to help?!


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#17253 - 01/29/01 01:11 PM Re: Callipygian MAY be a compliment
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Soibhan-- bh in gaelic is v-- she vawn (to rhyme with dawn) It is the name Joan-

as Sean (shawn) is John-- if you think of the french Jean (john) which is sort of jhawn-- you can see how the name came to be- there is no J, no ja sound in gaelic-- or properly any W, so John, became Sean-- since it was easy to move from jhawn to shawn, and William became Liam--

the most famous Soibhan i know is the irish/english actress, Soibhan McKenna(who has a scotish last name!)

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#17254 - 01/29/01 01:14 PM how to pronounce Siobhan
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Growing up in Boston, where there's no dearth of Irish folk, I heard this name fairly often, pronounced shuh-VON. Although this may reflect a Boston accent (with the tendency to drop Rs) applied to maverick's suggestion of Shi-VORN.


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#17255 - 01/29/01 01:51 PM Re: how to pronounce Siobhan
Marianna Offline
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My friend Siobhan, who is actually from Suffolk, pronounces her name she-VON, and shortens it to "Shiv".



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#17256 - 01/29/01 02:07 PM Re: how to pronounce Siobhan
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I have heard both she von and she vawn-- as a pronouncation--I am not sure which is more correct--

Its like the Irish name Deirdre some pronounce dear dree some dear dra-- In our house is was always the latter for both names-- but my parents are not from a gaelic speaking part of the country-- and only knew as much gaelic as they had learned in school. (and since my mother had few than 5 years of schooling..that was very little)

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#17257 - 01/29/01 02:10 PM Re: Gene Wolfe
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>really amazing use of vocabulary

actually, "The Book of the New Sun" is a remarkable book in many ways -- I've read encomiums such as TBotNS is "science fiction's Ulysses." I rank it at the very top of my list of (unmodified) fiction.


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#17258 - 01/30/01 01:45 AM Re: Callipygian
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..picture myself saying to my wife...
..You wouldn't say it to her face anyway, would you?


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#17259 - 01/31/01 04:47 AM Re: Callipygian
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You wouldn't say it to her face anyway, would you?

No, I'd want to see where her hands were and have my escape routes planned and clear of obstructions ...

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