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#166256 - 02/27/07 10:40 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
Buffalo Shrdlu Offline
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I tell the truth.
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#166257 - 02/27/07 11:54 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
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WHI would you LI ?

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#166258 - 02/27/07 03:52 PM Re: Difficult simple ones
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O.K , if I stick this to my desk , I can stop half the search.
Anyone who has to something positive to add is very welcome.
(no, Etaoin, I tell the truth is TOOO easy.)

Whatever I try, am trying or tried
I can't make sense out of die,dye denying
I think I will flee to the Isle of Skye
Slightly unlikely, but so it's I'm lying.
There I may lie under cobalt blue sky ----------------nay, nay not lay!
Or may I fly where the eagles are flying
Till meeting the sun where
my wings will be fried.


And look what the y - world still has in store when it comes to nouns.

Dy :Noun

1. A trivalent metallic element of the rare earth group; forms compounds that are highly magnetic.

Die : Noun
1. Small cubes with 1 to 6 spots on the faces; used to generate random numbers.
2. A device used for shaping metal.
3. A cutting tool that is fitted into a diestock and used for cutting male (external) screw threads on screws or bolts or pipes or rods.


Lye : Noun 1. A strong solution of sodium or potassium hydroxide


Edited by BranShea (02/27/07 04:04 PM)

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#166259 - 02/28/07 02:52 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
olly Offline
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Does this work?

I lie,
Y are you lying?

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#166260 - 02/28/07 04:12 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
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You see,(thanks for the try ) Olly, this is what puzzles me:

lying


1. Be located or situated somewhere; occupy a certain position.

2. Be lying, be prostrate; be in a horizontal position; "The sick man lay in bed all day"; "the books are lying on the shelf".

3. Originate (in); "The problems dwell in the social injustices in this country".

4. Be and remain in a particular state or condition; "lie dormant".

5. Tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceive; "Don't lie to your parents"; "She lied when she told me she was only 29".

6. Have a place in relation to something else: "The fate of Bosnia lies in the hands of the West"; "The responsibility rests with the Allies".

7. Assume a reclining position; "lie down on the bed until you feel better".

The fact that lying meaning lying down and telling an untruth is the same word, seems so bizarre and illogic to me. And then there is lay. It always confuses me and I always have to make sure checking that it is OK. And still I make mistakes .

What logic connection is there between 1. and 5. ?

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#166261 - 02/28/07 06:14 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
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What logic connection is there between 1. and 5. ?




Just another reason why "lay" is replacing "lie" as the intransitive verb.

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#166262 - 02/28/07 09:32 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
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What logic connection is there between 1. and 5. ?

There is no etymological connection between the two. Before becoming homonyms, the verbs were different in Old English: (1) licgan and (5) léogan.
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#166263 - 02/28/07 11:38 AM Re: Difficult simple ones
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Quote:

What logic connection is there between 1. and 5. ?

There is no etymological connection between the two. Before becoming homonyms, the verbs were different in Old English: (1) licgan and (5) léogan.



Now this is interesting: licgan and léogan became lie down and lie in English.
In Dutch lie and lie is : liggen and liegen. As you see the Dutch words have stayed closer the Old English ones than the New English words.

Now I must guess that licgan became liggen . And léogan became liegen . I like that. (and will just go on making mistakes)

liggen = lie down
liegen = tell a lie


Edited by BranShea (02/28/07 11:41 AM)

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#170557 - 10/11/07 04:23 PM Re: Difficult simple ones [Re: BranShea]
ParkinT Offline
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
[]What logic connection is there between 1. and 5. ?

There is no etymological connection between the two. Before becoming homonyms, the verbs were different in Old English: (1) licgan and (5) léogan. [/]
Now this is interesting: [:"red"] licgan and léogan [/]became lie down and lie in English.
In Dutch lie and lie is : [:"red"] liggen and liegen[/]. As you see the Dutch words have stayed closer the Old English ones than the New English words.

Now I must guess that licgan became liggen . And léogan became liegen . I like that. (and will just go on making mistakes)

liggen = lie down
liegen = tell a lie

It could be easily argued that to tell an untruth is putting aside (lying or laying down) the facts.
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#170559 - 10/11/07 04:31 PM Re: Difficult simple ones [Re: ParkinT]
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It's all connected then end you're reconnected as well. Good. That's been a while.

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