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#16968 - 01/28/01 01:43 AM Re: My Bad
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So far, it appears "my bad" doesn't travel well. I don't remember ever hearing it in this part of the world. Which is just as well, because although I'm a short, mild man, hearing that expression would make me very bitter. Which would make me a half-pint of mild and bitter (yes, I did steal that line - from "Asterix" I believe. )

But quite seriously, it sounds like something that might "grow" in East LA or among BelligerentYouth's rappers - where it should definitely stay!

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#16969 - 01/29/01 04:25 AM Re: gay
jmh Offline
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Looks like it is time to revive the Tom Robinson song - I'm sure that helped claim the word at the time.

Sing if you're glad to be gay
Sing if you're happy that way, hey
Sing if you're glad to be gay
Sing if you're happy that way, hey



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#16970 - 01/29/01 06:25 AM Re: Moot
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Loc: London, UK
In UK Law schools, a moot is also a form of debate (frequently on a point of law that has already been decided, but using an imaginary case), that is used to allow law students to practice debate in front of a 'court'. More often than not, it is run as a form of competition, sponsored by one of the big law firms, and it is a hugely prestigious thing to win and looks fantastic on the CV!


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#16971 - 01/29/01 10:53 AM Re: Moot
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I remember reading once that in English common law (and in most American law, since it follows ECL) you can be found guilty or not guilty-- but in Scot's common law-- you could be found guilty, not guilty or Not proven-- so it was moot (debatable) as to your guilt or innocence. (Jo-- any idea if this still holds? or does Scotland use ECL?)

In US it might be a hung jury-- but my impressions of Not proven is all the jurors agree-- they want to find you guilty-- but didn't think the case made was strong enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt--so it was still debatable-- Unlike an acquittal, Not guilty-not proven didn't quite clear your name.

Sparts case of a point being moot--was a good example of a second way it is moot is used. a sense that no matter what is decided, the outcome won't be effected.

Crossing thread-- i realize i am one of those people who use noodle for noddle-- as in Use your noodle! until it was pointed out-- i didn't even see the differences between the two words! but i know how to use moot!

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#16972 - 01/29/01 10:55 AM Re: Moot
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Following up on the Tolkien references from another thread, in the Lord of the Rings series, when all the Ents gather together for a discussion of what to do with the hobbits and their news, they hold an Entmoot.


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#16973 - 01/29/01 01:30 PM Re: Moot
Faldage Offline
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Hyla notes: when all the Ents gather together for a discussion of what to do with the hobbits and their news, they hold an Entmoot.

Which shows Tolkien's scholarly research. The folcmot was the Saxon People's Court. When something of importance to the community was to be decided a folcmot would be held.


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#16974 - 01/29/01 01:35 PM Re: Moot
maverick Offline
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www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/560-975dooms.html#Glossary

Thanks for that fascinating ref, nikeblack.


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#16975 - 01/29/01 02:19 PM glossary (of old legal terms)
of troy Offline
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Looked at it-- and thought of glebe.

My old neighborhood in the bronx had a "dog leg" street known as glebe avenue. The avenue was the border of the old (Chuch of St Anne--old anglican church-- with an alter stone donated by Queen Anne) church glebe.

Are there any other glebe's in US? how about elsewhere?

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#16976 - 01/29/01 02:51 PM Re: Scots Law
jmh Offline
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>but in Scot's common law-- you could be found guilty, not guilty or Not proven-- so it was moot (debatable) as to your guilt or innocence. (Jo-- any idea if this still holds? or does Scotland use ECL?)

I might need to phone a friend. It is definitely quite different but I'm not sure of the fine tuning!





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#16977 - 01/29/01 02:56 PM Re: Scots Law - very handy
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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This discussion of the Scottish "Not Proven" has added a new dimension to the Lockerbie trial. "Not Proven" would seem to be the dream verdict from the political/diplomatic point of view. Everybody could claim justification, with Libya saying "We told you so," and the prosecution claiming a moral victory. Cynic that I am, I am beginning to wonder if the availability of a "Not Proven" verdict was a factor in all sides agreeing to conduct the case under Scottish Law.


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