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Once again a case of a forgotten word.
I remember the definition being "a thought or concept of the word formed in the mind before verbalizing it"...
I think it starts with "m"? Well, it has an "m" I reckon... mitragate...migratiate....something like that? hmm....help would be appreciated as always
PS I keep getting "Error on page" when clicking Preview just FYI
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Nah, nothing there, it would've been too easy.  It's a really special word... it probably won't come up in thesauri. But hey, so happy to know someone actually viewed this thread...
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Log, I note recent posting somewhat listless, am guessing summer doldrums
You might try entering "conceive word" or "word before verbalization", etc, in OneLook's Reverse Dictionary, but you will get more responses than you need
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You might try entering "conceive word" or "word before verbalization", etc, in OneLook's Reverse Dictionary, but you will get more responses than you need
ha! (it is to laugh) the word 'verbalization' alone gets just 10 hits. -joe (reverse english) friday
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If none of them fit, it's still more than he needs.
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Try browsing wiki articles on subjects such as Cognitive Linguistics and Speech Cognition.
You're bound to run into it.
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No luck, I remember finding that word while exploring the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, or criticism of that hypothesis. Still, there's nothing in Wikipedia as I remembered it. It's really suppose to mean that the idea of what we want to say comes to us before we use/apply language and words to describe it... I'll keep looking
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You might go to Language Log and check out their various links (right hand column down towards the bottom). There might be something there in the other blogs section that would have a forum or just something that looks close enough for you to fire off an email to someone who would have a good idea. It sounds like a concept that would fit with the thinking of critics of Sapir-Whorf.
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What it is, is subliminal association.
What it should be called is precognition, but precognition is strongly associated with pre concieved notions.
Find a term thay you like for fully conceptualized thoughts and simply prefix "pre".
And if the word you seek is on tswum's list you'd likely do best to contrive a more lucid term or you'll only be able to commune with dogs, rocks,and trees.
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I'll just keep looking, but thanks for the feedback
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That's the way the Reverse Dictionary works. If you enter just one word you will usually have no luck whatever, as it will return only a few words with similar spelling. If you enter more than one word you will get hundreds or thousands of responses, probably 99.7 per cent inapplicable
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Tell me something new! I love this little gadget, I use it every day and have it favorited ever since I can remember myself... I tried playing with it before I came asking here, but as said, no luck
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Found it! "mentalese". A very uncommon word as I thought http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mentaleseI tried playing with the definition of language...then it hit me, "language of thought"! I googled it and wiki brought it straight up.
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It's more of an hypothetical term and the definitions I offered probably weren't good enough to deduce it, but thanks for replying
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In case you're interested, Wiki redirects "mentalese" to an article called Language of Thought.
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Yep, that's where I found it ...then it hit me, "language of thought"! I googled it and wiki brought it straight up.
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Yep, that's where I found it Mantled™
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men·tal·ese(mntl-z, -ls)
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A hypothetical language in which concepts and propositions are represented in the mind without words
You were right about the m! I've always fantasized about how cool it would be if we could transmit an image from our own mind into somebody else's--what a lot of confusion could be eliminated!
Query, though: can a "language without words" really be a language?
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Query, though: can a "language without words" really be a language? music?
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Language is defined in a number of ways--pretty much any method of sharing information and ideas is considered a language.
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any method of sharing information and ideas is considered a language - agreed, as far as it goes. But even in this generalized sense, language makes use of elements based on convention, i.e. "words". Philosophers disagree on the question whether in one's mind, these words are also the primary elements of thought , or if thinking happens before they enter into play.
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Next step.Thinking about thought.
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Not quite thinking about thinking, rather thinking about what we think we know.
epistemology:
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the philosophical theory of knowledge
from Gk. episteme "knowledge," from Ionic Gk. epistasthai "know how to do, understand," lit. "overstand," from epi- "over, near" + histasthai "to stand."
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Language is defined in a number of ways--pretty much any method of sharing information and ideas is considered a language. Wrongo, Maven. Lovers can share the percieved beauty of a afternoon sunset but indepedantly percieve the beauty of that setting sun. "Language" as a term is rightly restricted to the symbolic transfer of sensory information between two biological entities of which you are one.
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the symbolic transfer of sensory information between two biological entities. I like that one.
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Philosophers disagree on the question whether in one's mind, these words are also the primary elements of thought , or if thinking happens before they enter into play. The most creative part of thinking lies there where it has not yet reached the stage of words, language. What people refer to as "daydreaming" is no dreaming at all. It's thinking. Before thinking takes form. Eventuallly it becomes 'words', a concious thought, idea, plan or action. Fit to be shared or worked out or not. ( If you want to help me stay off this board , please do not come with such an interesting subject. :=)keep it dull.)
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music? Ooh, excellent! But I'm not sure it can go far enough, though. How might you ask, say, whether someone is hungry, or, what time is it, or, see that biggest dead tree--there's a red-tailed hawk on the fourth branch down? (If you want to help me stay off this board , please do not come with such an interesting subject. :=)) Heh (hi again, eta) -- I had hoped my query would spark a good discussion; it's not my fault if you're peeking when you're not supposed to! 
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But I'm not sure it can go far enough, - important point, and pertinent examples! George Steiner, in After Babel , went as far as hypothesising that language emerged when people felt a need to communicate something that isn't there , i.e. telling a lie, expressing a conditional, or commenting about possible futures..
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That flimsy cameo post wasn't even meant for, sorry, directed to you , Jackie. You are blameless and I'm gone.
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Drat the blame and d___ the torpedoes! We need to create sufficient enticement that BranShea cannot leave us.
"Perhaps she would respond to an alternative form of persuasion."
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Oh no, it's quite allright Aramis. Jackie knows the what-abouts. I'm not leaving but I must keep my fingers off that keyboard. It's easily said, but my weakness is my strength or my strenght is my weakness... how ever that went..? Just some adjusting. Summerbusiness. The fun goes on and I'll be back in october if the world keeps turning and us with it.The concept or thought is verbalized. Now I must do it. Thank you and all.
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