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I have Toscanini's version of the 9th in my mp3 collection(don't ask— but completely legal, I tell you). I cannot understand a word of the lyrics, which is compounded by the 'interesting' pronunciation of German. Hence, I ask for Beethoven's 9th in an alphabet completely devoid of the possibility of such irregularities: that is, the IPA.
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Good luck.
Some musical scores may offer pronunciation of the Schiller ode, or you might find a recording of it recited (no music). What's "interesting" about the Toscanini version? What nationality is the chorus? (I'm assuming it's the NBC Orchestra...)
There is a standard English translation if all you want to know is what the words mean.
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http://www.bsherman.org/ninth.htmlI know what the words mean. The article waxes lyric about tempo in the Symphony, and then praises Toscanini's recording. There's a lot of other similar sites out there. He says the 1938 recording is as good, if not better, but I prefer to take the word of Toscanini himself; he didn't approve the 1938 version. I'll try to get a score, then.
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Not a translation: a simple changing of the alphabet.
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depends on what German you talk to, I would say.
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Well, then, I wish to speak to a phonetician German.
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perhaps find a recording by a reputable German group?
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ɑː juː ʃʊɹ ðɑt aɪ piː eɪ ɪs izʌɹ θæn dʒʌɹmæn?
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Oh well, here goes. I'm not a native speaker and I have a bit of a Rhenish accent, but maybe Herr Doktor Sieber can correct my errors. Hope this helps.
Deutsch:
Freude, schöner Gotterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum. Deine Zauber binden wieder, Was die Mode streng geteilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
IPA:
frɔʏ̯də ʃœnə gɔtəfʊŋkn tɔxtə ʔaʊ̯s ʔeːlʏzijʊm vɪr bətreːtn fɔʏ̯rtrʊŋkn hɪmlɪʃə daɪ̯n haɪ̯lɪgtʊm daɪ̯nə tsaʊ̯bə bɪndn viːdə vas diː moːdə ʃtrɛŋ gətaɪlt alə mɛnʃn vɛrdn brʏdə voː daɪ̯n sanftə flʏgl vaɪ̯lt
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Dear Zmjezhd - Thank you so much for the IPA transcription of part of the Ode to Joy, which I've just come across seven years later. How about the other bits the choir has to sing, ie "ja, wer auch nur... aus diesem Bund", "Kusse gab sie... steht vor Gott" and "Seid umschlungen... muss er wohnen" Sorry I haven't got access to the diacritics.
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