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Wow. Welcome aBoard, pipanny (she said, struggling not to think of you as piepan). I'm impressed. We do occasionally go off into philosophical-type discussions. I like this one so far.
So--are you saying that, because each individual is who he or she is, we really don't have a choice in how we cope with our surroundings? To dictate our future, that is, as far as we're able (i.e., other than acts of God, for ex.)?
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> What's time to a pig?
Well, quite. If one can agree on that, then the next logical step might be to bow out of the linear history that continues to act as a culturally unifying norm. But clearly this will take more time and some decent models. The calendar makers are busy.
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the next logical step might be to bow out of the linear history And do what, Sweet Thing?
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Hi Pipanny. I'm still digesting what you said but welcome.
Jackie if you decide to "bow out of the linear history " take a hammock and a strawberry lemonade with you.
The trick for me is to remember that linear is a (simplified) description of history/time rather than a complete definition of it.
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can anybody choose differently from what they do? WHEN they do?
We employ procrastination and rashness to express beliefs about acting in order to survive. Thus choosing is seen as a matter of gefühl with events/options and Self - a melt of remembered choices becoming experiences and projected trajectories stemming from those memories projected into time-not-lived to converge at a desired result. Hopefully. Or the lunatic's way ;-) utter trust - acceptance that things become what they become; rolling with the ball and making the best of it.
It's all a matter of attitude and character. The point being that one chooses, and WHEN, as one IS. Choosing then is the amalgamation of doing and being - the convergence in the now that makes destiny, as one's actions ripple into the universe.
Fine sounding words, but the problem, pipanny, is in directing your rippling towards a raison d'etre. Poor mankind. He has been shoved onstage during the second act of a three act play and he doesn't know the lines. He knows the language but he doesn't know the plot and denouement, so he wings it.
We all are hard wired to operate in a universe with a directional (progressive) system of time. The paradox involved is that directional time requires a beginning. This we can't conceptualize. And unsatisfactorly, this leaves us to speculate that time is non-directional. But if time is, in fact, non-directional then we must conclude that all things happened at once and so the idea of progressive time itself must be an illusion.
Poor me, poor you, poor mankind.
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But if time is, in fact, non-directional then we must conclude that all things happened at once and so the idea of progressive time itself must be an illusion.
I watched a documentary the other night which explained string theory in siplified language and images. Not simple enough for me, apparently. It seems there may or may not be little strings which might rush around calming down sub-atomic non-particles and repairing tiny tears in space/time while allowing yesterday to have happened both before and after today and possibly but not necessarily simultaneously with it.
What do they smoke in physics class?
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What everybody seems to be missing here, and alluding to the station wagon metaphor, is that, even if you visualize yourself facing the past with your back turned on the future, you are still moving forward into the future backwards; you are still leaving the past behind you, even though you are facing it.
If the Aymara just see themselves turned around, but still moving forward into the future and leaving the past behind, then there's really no difference.
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Go ahead Whitman, allude to the station wagon metaphor; make my day. 
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What everybody seems to be missing here, and alluding to the station wagon metaphor, is that, even if you visualize yourself facing the past with your back turned on the future, you are still moving forward into the future backwards; you are still leaving the past behind you, even though you are facing it.
If the Aymara just see themselves turned around, but still moving forward into the future and leaving the past behind, then there's really no difference.
The car might could be going forward in time, but If I'm facing the other way, I'm going backward.
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The car might could be going forward in time, but If I'm facing the other way, I'm going backward.
Foolish me. In my haste I read the line above as...
The World may be going forward in time, but faldage is going backwards.
Honest mistake.
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