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#1573 - 04/25/00 03:10 PM spelled the same but pronounced differently
nnn Offline
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I am looking for the name of words that are spelled the same but pronounced differently and have different meanings. ie lead and lead (I can lead a group to the where they are mining lead), object and object ( I object to the removal of that object from the ...), etc....

Thanks nnn


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#1574 - 04/25/00 04:20 PM Re: spelled the same but pronounced differently
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#1575 - 04/26/00 03:38 PM Re: spelled the same but pronounced differently
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I went to an evening for parents at my daughter's school a couple of years ago. We were given about half a page to read to each other in the way that children read, a word at a time. It was cleverly constructed so that at the end of each sentence we had to go back to the beginning and re-read it, changing the pronunciation of one of the words. In each case our initial assumption had been incorrect - for example we had chosen lead weight rather than lead the race.

It made me realise how difficult English is as a foreign language - there is so much to be gleaned from context.


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#1576 - 04/30/00 06:36 AM Part words spelled the same...
tututu Offline
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This is on the bulletin board in the Literacy Library where we try and understand the English of "it" so we can teach "it" to others.......

ough....pronounced nine different ways in the following:
A rough-coated, dough faced, thoughtful ploughman strode through the streets of Scarborough: having fallen in the slough, he coughed and hiccoughed.

Tu
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#1577 - 04/30/00 06:42 AM Schoolwork
tututu Offline
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Loc: Bellingham, WA USA
JMH...can you get us a copy of the word list distributed in your daughter's class or is it too late.......we are always looking for such for the Literacy Library.
Thanks in advance......

Tu
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#1578 - 04/30/00 05:18 PM Re: Schoolwork
jmh Offline
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>can you get us a copy of the word list

tututu
I'll try- we moved away from the area and it was part of a session for parents run by an area literacy adviser, so I don't have any contact with them now. I'll see what I can do.

By the way did you know that your name spell checks as "Twain" - very literary - was it intentional?


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#1579 - 04/30/00 05:31 PM Re: Part words spelled the same...
jmh Offline
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> ough....pronounced nine different ways

Wonderful!

I also note that in the UK we say Edinburgh and thorough to rhyme with Scarborough (the ending is pronounced "ura") but the US pronunciation has the ending "urrow" to along the lines of Wheelbarrow, so it sounds like "Edinburrow" and "thurrow".


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#1580 - 05/08/00 06:43 AM Re: Schoolwork
tututu Offline
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jmh
This was sent to me....by someone who seemed reluctant to post but who obviously follows the collaborations of the wordies...Similar to your "homework"?
There were 20 in all...
The bandage was wound around the wound.
The farm was used to produce produce.
The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
We must polish the Polish furniture.
He could lead if he would get the lead out.
The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
Since there was no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
When shot at the dove dove into the bushes.
I did not object to the object.
The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
They were too close to the door to close it.
The buck does funny things when the does are present.
A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
After a number of injections, my jaw got number.
Upon seeing a tear in the wallpaper, I shed a tear.
I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
How can I intimate this to my most intimate friends?





Tu
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#1581 - 05/08/00 06:50 AM Re: Part words spelled the same...
tututu Offline
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Ah and would I love to hear you speak these "uras"...though I can only dream of how they sound.

Tu
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#1582 - 05/08/00 07:15 AM Re: Schoolwork
tututu Offline
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The indication that I meant Twain rather than Tutu was not intentional.
Tutu is Hawaiian for Grandmother.
My children and friends call me Tu.
My grandchildren and their friends call me Tutu.
My great grandchildren call me Tututu.
Tsuwm calls me Tutututu (attributes that to a stutter)
One emailer calls me A Ballerina and a half.
I prefer the Twain reference in all these.
Thank you,
Tu....(Note the spell check indicates tub as a substitute for Tu) :-(


Tu
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#1583 - 05/08/00 09:12 AM Re: Schoolwork
jmh Offline
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Excellent - this is very similar to the list I had seen.


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#1584 - 05/08/00 12:09 PM Re: Schoolwork
tututu Offline
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Aha...
We'll use this one then and try to add to it. Thanks for your offer to search. This will work well.

Tu
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#1585 - 05/08/00 04:04 PM Re: Schoolwork
sholmes Offline
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I couldn't resist posting this. It is long. Sorry. I have hung on to this for several years and it still amazes some when they see it for the first time. You must read it aloud and I suspect you must use american pronunciation (:-).


WHY IS ENGLISH THE LINGUA FRANCA?

Multi-national personnel at North Atlantic Treaty Organization headquarters near Paris found English to be an easy language ...
until they tried to pronounce it. To help them discard an array of accents, the verses below were devised. After trying them, a Frenchman said he'd prefer six months at hard labor to reading six lines aloud. Try them yourself.

ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF
======================

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

-- Author Unknown




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#1586 - 05/08/00 07:12 PM Re: Schoolwork
Philip Davis Offline
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Registered: 04/03/00
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From the Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language.
Given the pronunciation of enough, women and nation what is a ghoti.
{clue; it swims}


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#1587 - 05/09/00 02:50 AM Re: Schoolwork
jmh Offline
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Posts: 1981
I'll pass it round - I always thought English was hard.
I assume the pronunciation of victual is like vit-tle (its only a word I ever heard in "The Beverly Hill Billies - from my youth, I always wanted to be Ellie May(now that's an admission!))


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#1588 - 05/09/00 03:28 AM Re: Schoolwork
jmh Offline
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Posts: 1981
Along the same lines -

Does any one know the Two Ronnies sketch (not sure if it crossed the Altantic or Pacific) where the man goes into the hardware shop and askes for certian things - each time a few things are presented before the get the right one.

For example he asks for "hose" and gets offered "panty hose" or a hosepipe - someone is bound to remember the rest!


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#1589 - 05/09/00 07:22 AM Re: ghoti
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Refresh my memory : Wasn't it G.B. Shaw who came up with this alternate spelling?


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#1590 - 05/09/00 07:39 AM Re: ghoti
paulb Offline
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Loc: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
I think you're right, Anna. I also have a faint memory of the letters 'potato' being used to form the same word as the letters 'ghoti' do.


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#1591 - 05/09/00 08:13 AM Re: Schoolwork
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To all: I was fascinated, when I clicked on gurunet, to
find the following when I clicked on a related site--

Ghoti Hook : Behind The Music
Ghoti Hook formed in November, 1991. Joel Bell, Adam Neubauer and former member, Justin Levy, started the band. The boys grew up in the same church and discovered a passion for starting a band in 1989. Christian Ergueta, Dan Feliciano and Conrad Tolosa were other friends in the church who became part of the original line-up. The band contained three guitar players (Conrad, Dan and Justin), a bass player (Christian), drummer (Adam) and a vocalist (Joel). They chose the name Ghoti Hook from a suggestion by Adam's dad ("ghoti" is the phonetic spelling of the word "fish" and is pronounced "go-dee").



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#1592 - 05/09/00 08:27 AM Re: Schoolwork
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Steve--that was wonderful! I laughed out loud. I started
to print it out, then realized there's nobody I know
face-to-face who is as interested in words as I am, though
they are tolerant of my rapturous ravings. Hooray for this
bulletin board! Thanks a bunch for the effort you put in.


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#1593 - 05/09/00 09:11 AM Re: Schoolwork
sholmes Offline
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Yes, 'victual' is pronounced 'vittle', and I've seen it spelled both ways. Vittle may be becoming the modern accepted spelling based on the pronunciation. But since you can still see it spelled the old, original way, the inclusion in the poem was at least instructive.


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#1594 - 05/09/00 10:53 AM Re: ghoti
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Ah, gee, Jackie, you gave it away! ;-)


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#1595 - 05/09/00 10:57 AM Re: Schoolwork
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sholmes,

Thanks for the Lingua Franca post! Although there are several non-English words contained therein, the point is taken. I've copied it and E-mailed it to several like-minded friends. :-)


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#1596 - 05/09/00 01:55 PM Re: victual
jmh Offline
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Posts: 1981
Re victual - no, that's fine, I was just wondering how to pronounce it. I love the poem!


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#1597 - 05/09/00 03:15 PM Re: ghoti
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>Wasn't it G.B. Shaw who came up with this alternate spelling?

There are many who take spelling reform quite seriously; Shaw left a large pile of money to the cause (which was constested by Lady Astor).

http://members.aol.com/tsuwm/

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