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CONGRATULATIONS
TEd Remington, you are also the lucky winner of
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I KNEW IT!!! I had a Locke on first place!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Jackie! I think I'm still quite a way from 25 yet Faldage, but who knows.
So does anyone else besides Faldage have info on the origins of these two words?
I was also hoping that someone might be able to tell me if there is an online etymology reference source that is available either for free or for a reasonable price.
Clawing my way up to newbiehood,
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I was also hoping that someone might be able to tell me if there is an online etymology reference source that is available either for free or for a reasonable price.
Why, this is an online etymology resource . . . and much much more!
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expanding a bit on what Faldage had to say, it may be interesting to dwell on the roots, delude and illude (now rare). from the Latin ludere, to play; we have deludere, to play false; and illudere, to make sport of, to trick. they are pretty close to being synonymous and both pretty negative -- which is probably why illude has died out; delude just *sounds more negative.
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Jazzoctopus says:
"Why, this is an online etymology resource . . . and much much more!"
Jazz, you're right of course. This is a wonderful etymology resource and I use it all the time. But what I am hoping to find is more of a searchable online etymology dictionary. That way I won't have to pester the demigods of the word world (is that any better Kiwi? ;) in my quest for the origins of such words as "illusion" and "delusion".
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Tsuwm, thanks for expanding. Do you think you could expand just a bit more and tell me about the prefixes ill- and de- ? And do you think that one day either illusion or delusion will die out like illude did, or have they now gained enough distinction from each other to hang in there?
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they have, of course, a good many senses; of interest to us are these
de- In a bad sense, so as to put down or subject to some indignity: as decipere to take in, deceive; deludere to make game of, delude; deridere to laugh to scorn, deride; detesteri to abominate, detest.
il- (used like in-, before l) in this case, in the sense of (to play) on, upon or against
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..I won't have to pester the demigods of the word world . The illusion you're after is an absolute authority on the distinctive meaning of these two words - and on the meaning of words in general. And people here don't want to delude you into believeing that such an instance exists - they are proud to be anything you like except unanimous . Freud wrote in German. There we have the word "Illusion", with a meaning very close to the English one. But there is no "Delusion" in German...
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