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#14844 - 01/09/01 12:36 PM Re: but
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Adding the "but" to the end is simple mangulation of the language through an unnecessary rearranging of the sentence structure. (Maybe that's what an anastrophe is - haven't looked that one up yet.)

My name in vain thou shalt not take, stales (that goes for you Kiwis, too...)


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#14845 - 01/09/01 03:25 PM Re: basically
jmh Offline
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>the fashion was to start every second sentence with grundsätzlich (=basically)....I managed to keep from screaming ...

I used to have a boyfriend who started most sentences with "basically" and end them with ... "and such". I didn't manage to keep from screaming. He didn't last.

Other fashionable words around that time were:
timewise, workwise ... everythingwise.

My current pet peeve is "enjoy" with nothing after it. What am I meant to enjoy? At least adding "it" would give me a clue.


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#14846 - 01/09/01 11:04 PM Re: but
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Annastrophic pouts My name in vain thou shalt not take, stales (that goes for you Kiwis, too...)

You're not half bad, but.

I wish I could send you all an MPEG of the beer ad which kicked off a resurgence of trailing "buts" here. It was a hoot, although MaxQ was miffed because it was Speights, not Tui.

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#14847 - 01/10/01 12:00 AM Re: but
Max Quordlepleen Offline
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A deranged Scarfie claimed that MaxQ was miffed because it was Speights, not Tui.


Yeah, right.



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#14848 - 01/10/01 08:16 AM enjoy
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My current pet peeve is "enjoy" with nothing after it.
Oh, Jo - I do so agree with you!!! It is a phrase that grates on my nerves, too. After that, there is nothing left to enjoy.

And to save postage (and keep my addiction under control) I have been following the "but" debate with fascinated interest - thank goodness it hasn't caught on over here, yet - and I'm wondering if its use is as a type of phatic emphasis. It certainly comes over that way from the examples adduced; as,indeed, does the use of "eh?", from my experience of its use in London.


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#14849 - 01/10/01 08:35 AM Re: eh
jmh Offline
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>indeed, does the use of "eh?", from my experience of its use in London

There is also the matter of the Glasgow "eh" (pronounced - e-grunt) which tags itself onto the end of every thing said. [note to comics - rarely have I heard anyone say "eh jimmy"]


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#14850 - 01/10/01 08:38 AM Re: but/not
jmh Offline
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I wonder if "but" is replacing "not", another irritating fashion.


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#14851 - 01/10/01 08:43 AM Re: enjoy
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jo complains: My current pet peeve is "enjoy" with nothing after it.

Rhuby concurs: Oh, Jo - I do so agree with you!!! It is a phrase that grates on my nerves, too. After that, there is nothing left to enjoy.

The version US'ns most often use is, "Have a nice day!" The proper response when insulted by the sort of boor who would dare to wish you well without being specific about how you accomplish that goal is to reply, "The same to you."


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#14852 - 01/10/01 09:11 AM Re: enjoy
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- and there is always the phrase, which I am assured was originated by the Chinese, "May you live in interesting times!"


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#14853 - 01/10/01 09:20 AM Re: enjoy
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In reply to:

and there is .. phrase ... by the Chinese, "May you live in interesting times!"


I have always been told this is a Chinese "curse" -- along the lines of "May the flea's of a thousand camels..."

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