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#148001 09/16/05 02:15 PM
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I'd go for unanswering*. Maybe unanswerable, but to me that's less clear.
*I'm not sure there is a single word in English that would fully encompass the meaning as I understand it in the given sentence.

I did look up unimpeachable, and found this info. on impeach interesting:
Word History: Nothing hobbles a President so much as impeachment, and there is an etymological as well as a procedural reason for this. The word impeach can be traced back through Anglo-Norman empecher to Late Latin impedicre, "to catch, entangle," from Latin pedica, "fetter for the ankle, snare." Thus we find that Middle English empechen, the ancestor of our word, means such things as "to cause to get stuck fast," "hinder or impede," "interfere with," and "criticize unfavorably." A legal sense of empechen is first recorded in 1384. This sense, which had previously developed in Old French, was "to accuse, bring charges against."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/impeach

Hey--the French word for going fishing is
pêcher

, and look: Anglo-Norman empecher ..., "to catch, entangle,"


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>> the French word for going fishing is<<

And the German for tar *and bad luck is Pech.

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apropos the French, does (their) word for *a* fish come from the sense of "to catch" or "the catch"?


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Getting back to that single word meaning not having to answer to anyone, "untrammeled" and "unfettered" are getting a little closer but still not quite there. The refer to being unhampered, or unhindered, but don't touch the issue of being without oversight by anyone else. (Remember that ad for Levy's Jewish rye bread a few years ago -- "We answer to a higher Authority!")


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Wofa, not to turn this into a food thread or anything, but isn't that the slogan for Hebrew National hot dogs?


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Oops. How right you are.

Oh well. I had the ethnos right, anyway.




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Me: The question is, how would you express that concept in a single word these days now, that irresponsible has taken on a different meaning? (bolded comma added by eta)

Eta: change? (putting an (mis)understood comma where mayhaps it don't belong...)

I think it was Oscar Wilde who, when asked how his latest work was coming along, answered that he'd spent the morning inserting a comma and the afternoon taking it out again.

If I had put in another comma, I would've written the sentence thusly:

The question is, how would you express that concept in a single word these days, now that irresponsible has taken on a different meaning?

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I agree unaccountable power sounds odd, otherwise I'd go for that. Of the suggestions so far, I like 'untrammelled' the best, though it's perhaps a bit wider than this former sense of 'irresponsible'.

A more modern translation (1999) gives 'unregulated'. Dr. Bill suggests 'supreme' by pm, neither of which quite fits the concept I have in mind.

It would seem that our language has been impoverished by this change in meaning of 'irresponsible'.

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Though I do not have Plutarch's original Greek text to hand, I can only assume that the word he used was ανευθυνος [a)neu/qunos], 'not accountable, irresponsible'. (OK, it might've been ανυπευθυνος [a)nupeu/qunos].) From ευθυνω [eu)qu_/nw] 'to guide straight or direct; govern'. It occurs in Aristotle, Plato, and Thucydides. Googling on "irresponsible power" or "irresponsible sovereignty" yields other citations than Dryden's.

"Irresponsible power is inconsistent with liberty, and must corrupt those who exercise it." [John Calhoun, US lawyer and politician (1782-1850)]

One of the meanings of irresponsible in current dictionaries is still one of not being held accountable by a higher authority. (Nor is this meaning censured with an archaic or the like.) I don't see that the language has been impoverished, just some of its speakers no longer make the distinction.



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> If I had put in another comma, I would've written the sentence thusly:

I'm sorry that you went to the trouble, I was just being a dink. or perhaps just irresponsible.



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