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#140672 03/10/05 02:53 PM
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is ther a connection betwen these?

thank you.


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Yep, same root.

Main Entry: mu·lat·to
Pronunciation: m&-'la-(")tO, mu-, myu-, -'lä-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -toes or -tos
Etymology: Spanish mulato, from mulo mule, from Latin mulus
1 : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
2 : a person of mixed white and black ancestry


http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=mulatto

Main Entry: 1mule
Pronunciation: 'myü(&)l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French mul, from Latin mulus
1 a : a hybrid between a horse and a donkey; especially : the offspring of a male donkey and a mare b : a self-sterile plant whether hybrid or not c : a usually sterile hybrid
2 : a very stubborn person
3 : a machine for simultaneously drawing and twisting fiber into yarn or thread and winding it into cops
4 slang : a person who smuggles or delivers illicit drugs


If you don't know it, can I suggest you try onelook.com for standard queries? It's a good starting point.


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a machine for simultaneously drawing and twisting fiber into yarn or thread and winding it into cops

I'd pay a dollar to see that ... as might a number of the police officers who appear before me.




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mule spinning is almost a lost art --there are 2 yarn mills in US that still provide mule spun yarn.

Worsted yarn is strong, firmer, and the machine that spin it are easier to maintain.

i suspect if you google mule spun + yarn, you'd find the mills, one is in NE, the other in MI.

i am not all that into spinning. i know there are different ways to spin and ply yarns, (worsted, cable and mule spun being the most common--perhaps even the complete list!) but i really don't have a full understanging of the differences--at a spinning level.. i can recognize the differences in the yarns.

in the US mule spun yarn used to be called 'germantown'--and centeral PA was the sorce for many 'germantown' wools.
what every you call it, the yarn is softer, and has more loft--(but it also is more likely to pill.) germantown yarn was the traditional choice for infants cloths and blankets.


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Highly informative, dear Helen, but why "wind it into cops"?


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i dunno!--there are limits to amount of trivia i know!--



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Good morning captain
Good morning sun
Oh yes, it's good morning captain
Good morning shine
Don't you need another muleskinner
On your new road line.



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So's cow tipping.



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Dr. Bill wrote me, claiming he got lucky--(but we all know luck favors a prepared mind--)
-2. A conical or conical-ended mass of coiled thread, yarn, or roving, wound upon a spindle, etc.


he didn't let me know which dictionary had this bit, a standard, or one devoted to textiles.

so the answer is a cop is a cone of yarn.. mmm cones of yarn...
(actually, my stash of un-knit yarn is become a SABLE -
a Stash Accumulation Beyond Live Expectancy! i have a friend who 'pays' me in yarn to teach her to knit.. and i get about $300 dollars an hour in payment (she came into a large collection of wool, but she is alergic.. so she undervalues it..--i have actualy stopped taking payments.. 1 i felt guilty, and 2--i have so much yarn right now..







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there are limits to amount of trivia i know

Odd, my wife sez that my trivial knowledge is seemingly limitless.


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my trivial knowledge is seemingly limitless

OK:

A) What goddess was worshipped by the name Trivia and why by that name?

2) What life form goes by the genus and species name trivia?




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A: If I tell you, will you play me some Pink Floyd?

2: Do they cook with garlic? ;)


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Dr. Bill's definition is from something called the Brainy Dictionary.

http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/co/cop148049.html

also

"Cop- the conical ball of cotton or any yarn wound on the spinning frame."

http://www.cottontown.org/page.cfm?pageid=328

also

"A Form Of Yarn Package Spun On A Mule Spindle. The Term Can Also Be Used To Describe A Ring Tube."

http://www.fibre2fashion.com/glossary/glossary3.htm

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"A form of yarn package such as is spun on a mule spindle, that is essentially self-supporting. A weft-cop, as used at Holdsworths on face-to-face looms until 1980, was a cop of tightly wound yarn of such a size that it could be used directly in the loom shuttle. These cops were very difficult to handle without damage, and caused a great deal of problems in terms of wasted material and the maintenance cost of the cop-winders. The whole process was made obsolete with the replacement of machinery with shuttle-less looms from Güsken in the early 1980s."

http://www.holdsworth.co.uk/history/Cyclopaedia/c.html








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The Romans called the Greek goddess Hecate "Trivia" because she was the goddess of places where three roads met (among other things).

The various trivia are little cowrie persons who live in the sea, most of them very near the Mother Country.




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