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#125668 03/21/04 11:48 PM
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I know this isn't the word I'm looking for. I just needed something to grab y'all's attention and I forgot how to spell sex.

The situation is that you have been exposed to, say, a word that you have never seen before and all of a sudden it's showing up everywhere. Is there a word that means that sort of thing?


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serandipity?


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logosensitized?

No, really, I don't know what the word you're seeking is, Faldage. But it's the sort of logosensitization I go through regularly.


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Synchronicity. Dunno if there's a word just for when the event is a word.


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recognition? (hitherto ~)


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serendubiquity?


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Re: "a word that you have never seen before and all of a sudden it's showing up everywhere. Is there a word that means that sort of thing?

You're not thinking of "Grapho" are you?

Just kiddin'. My wings are clipped.

Actually, I think the word you are looking for is "ubiquitous".

This from the American Heritage Dictionary:

Being or seeming to be everywhere at the same time; omnipresent: “plodded through the shadows fruitlessly like an ubiquitous spook”[or a gnat] (Joseph Heller).





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I don't think anybody's quite got it yet. Serendipity implies some sort of happy coincidence that's lacking in what I want. The phenomenon isn't limited to words; if I were driving a white car for five years and then bought a red car suddenly I see more than my share of red cars, so I'm going to dismiss all the logo- words. Recognition is getting there, but I don't think it's quite specific enough. It's probably a psych term of some sort.


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Don't know of any word for it, Faldo, but I sure do know what you mean!


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if I were driving a white car for five years and then bought a red car suddenly I see more than my share of red cars

Maybe it's just "projection", Faldage.

To see what's always been there
Often takes more than a stare
Sometimes it's a bump
Or a kick in the rump
That makes us become aware.




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Sometimes it's a bump Or a kick in the rump

The road to the top is paved with banana peels.

Let this be a lesson to all
However your station so tall
You may slip in the slop
On your way to the top
Then you're back in the slop with us all.





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I have to admit that the word I usually use in this case is "annoying." The word get overused and it gets on your nerves. Same thing with cars and clothing and anything that becomes a fad.


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re:The phenomenon isn't limited to words; if I were driving a white car for five years and then bought a red car suddenly I see more than my share of red cars,

this is almost a paradigm.
there was an article about the 'discovery' of the ozone hole over south pole.. for years scientist had been taking reading of ozone/atmosphere, and often, the data over the south pole 'fell of the scale' they just ignored it, and presumed it was some sort of problem about the angle the information had been measured at, or relections from polar ice causing problems, etc.. but finally one day, on young scientist deside to find out why the data from the area of the south pole was some times 'irregular' what he discovered was the data was correct! there was an ozone 'hole' over the south pole. it wasn't new data, just a new look at old stuff, and seeing something new. a paradigm shift. (is shift reduntent there? no matter, i am leaving it)

(until we had a thread on the term 'sea change', i never saw it.. since then, i have re-read some books, and found the expression in use. obviously, i had missed it first time round!)
paradigm might not be the word you are looking for.. but am i getting closer to the general idea?


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I have to admit that the word I usually use in this case is "annoying." The word get overused and it gets on your nerves. Same thing with cars and clothing and anything that becomes a fad.

bel, no, that's not it. Can you remember ever learning the meaning of a word/concept and then suddenly seeing it everywhere, maybe because you'd never noticed it before (until you learned it)?


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suddenly seeing it everywhere, maybe because you'd never noticed it before (until you learned it)? I can't be sure, but I don't think there's a psychological term for this phenomenon. Heightened awareness is all I can think of.




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That's close to what I would call it, Jackie - 'to gain a new awareness'.


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paradigm might not be the word you are looking for.. but am i getting closer to the general idea?

Yes, you're on to it there, de Troy.

We are quite literally programmed to see what we expect to see.

Our subconcious is programmed with "schemata" which instantly fill in the blanks when we receive partial information*.

It is an evolutionary survival advantage, but it can lead to a lot of unfairness when we make "snap judgments" about people based on the color of their skin, the way they are dressed, whatever.

Our "schemata" are best illustrated by "optical illusions" such as the one where you are presented with several lines of a cube and you "see" the missing lines. Your mind literally fills in the blanks.

A good example is this "subjective word illusion":

http://www.sandlotscience.com/Contrast/Contrast_frm.htm Then click on #11 in the left margin "Subjective Word".

When we see something for the first time which has always been there, it is because, as you say, there has been a pardigm shift. Something occurred which disrupted our unconscious program.

In effect, the "schemata" has shifted and a new "schemata" has begun to emerge.

The mind also does something which can be quite insidious. It screens out information, beneath the level of consciousness, which does not square with the "schemata".

That means the information which is filtered out by the unconscious is literally invisible to us.

Someone with a different "schemata" which is sensitive to that information will see it, but we won't.

This explains why a black street kid seeing a white cop beat up on a black will literally see something quite different than a white tourist witnessing the same event will see.

Their "schemata" are different. Consequently, what they actually see is different.

They both actually believe that what they are seeing is "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" but, the truth is, nothing could be further from the truth.

*"Schemata are schemes which allow us to integrate knowledge in ways by linking traits and facts together so that the 'lumpiness' of reality is accurately represented in our minds. Remember, if it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, and has feathers like a duck, it is probably a duck." .... to which I am impelled to append the obvious. If you have not spent any time by a lake, a river or a marsh, you might mistake a loon for a duck [until you hear him cry].

Personally, I love to hear a loon cry, but that is another story.

"Quacks", on the other hand, are called "quacks" for good reason.




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Okay, I'll bite: an inflammation of [the] epiphanies?


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Okay, I'll bite: an inflammation of [the] epiphanies?

I never bite an Old Hand who feeds me with good lines, inselpeter.

A gnat has to protect his sources.




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an inflammation of [the] epiphanies?

A picture of "epiphanitis" is worth a thousand words.

http://www.optillusions.com/dp/1-3.htm






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Faldage

This sounds a bit (but not entirely) like a idea called the 'Hundredth Monkey phenomenon'. Don't know if you remember it, but I think a book was written about it too.

Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, the actual hundredth monkey case that is cited was false. Nevertheless, the phrase is still with us.

It's the closest thing I can think of to your case.

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I'm vaguely familiar with the Hundredth Monkey thing. Something about some monkeys learning a new thing, like opening nuts with a rock, and slowly they would teach it to other monkeys, but when the hundredth monkey learned it suddenly they all knew it?


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The original woo-woo idea suggested that once 100 knew it, the knowledge, like telepathy, island-hopped and all, with monkeys picking up the practice that had never seen another do it. This extreme version turned out to be false, but it's basically the idea of a critical mass being reached. I think the Tipping Point is a similar idea being touted in the bestseller lists.

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reification

One of my favorite words. A word composed of nothing but affixes.


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Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, the actual hundredth monkey case that is cited was false. Nevertheless, the phrase is still with us.

The 100th Monkey case may be an urban myth, shanks, but there is other evidence of this type of 'spontaneous learning' phenomenon, I believe.

I read of this some time ago in connection with a study of a particular species of bird in England which learned how to pry the caps off of milk bottles.* The knack spread rapidly throughout the entire population of this species.

There are other studies of this kind of 'spontaneous learning' phenomenon as well, I believe.

I will go hunting for them.

Cheers.

*Obviously, this was in the days when milkmen in horse-drawn milk trucks delivered bottled milk to doorsteps in every residential neighbourhood. That dates the research back at least 50 years, I fathom.



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Grapho

The phenomenon was one in which tits (the birds, I mean), pecked through the foil caps on milk-bottles placed out side doors in the morning. Later studies showed that this was not a cultural learning/critical mass phenomenon, but one in which tits, both attracted to shiny things and natural peckers of things, mostly learned this independently, or at best, from watching the first in the neighbourhood to do so.

Another urban myth, I'm afraid, though I haven't looked it up so am not in a position to quote sources that will back up my position.

Any others here know about this?

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Not sure of that. Must look up the etymology.

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Must look up the etymology

Don't bother. Just my little joke. The re- is from the Latin res, thing.


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still, making something out of nothing (broadly speaking)


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A-ha. And I didn't get the joke. (Shooting self in head emoticon)


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tits, both attracted to shiny things and natural peckers of things, mostly learned this independently

What you say makes sense, shanks.

Re: the sunshine "brutally against the apotheosis of natural phenomena" warrior

If you understand the term "natural phenomena" to mean something for which there is no scientific explanation, than I am brutally opposed to that hypothesis myself.

I have always understood "natural phenomena" to be phenomena in respect of which no scientific explanation has yet been found, or, if found, phenomena not generally comprehended by the public on a scientific basis (like "Northern Lights" or "Magnetic Hill", both of which instill wonder in all but the most jaded scientific types).

Because I view "natural phenomena" in this way, I do not regard the term as antithetical to my faith in science.

Instead, I find myself involuntarily, and intensely curious about the scientific mystery underpinning the "natural phenomena".

That mystery can have more allure than the "natural phenomenon" itself, experienced and enjoyed for itself alone.

Unfortunately, I do not have the skills or the opportunity to pursue that curiosity, at least directly. Few of us do.

For many of us, a mysterious bird in the bush is worth two or more in the hand.

Cheers.


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Re: ification Snort! And here I thought you were asleep all this time...


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In reply to:

Obviously, this was in the days when milkmen in horse-drawn milk trucks delivered bottled milk to doorsteps in every residential neighbourhood. That dates the research back at least 50 years, I fathom.


Has there been a major social upheaval while I've been away? As far as I know milk in the UK is still delivered door-to-door using electric carts.

See the vehicle on the left on this page:
http://www.milkbottlenews.org.uk/photos/dairyvehicles.html

Some interesting examples of notes to the milkman:
http://www.milkbottlenews.org.uk/features/notes/index.html

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Re: bottled milk to doorsteps in every residential neighbourhood. That dates the research back at least 50 years, I fathom.

I thought door to door delivery of bottled milk disappeared everywhere, driven by the same economic pressures.

Guess you don't have "Milk Stores" in England, huh?

Milk stores replaced door to door delivery in every neighborhood I know of.

Glass milk bottles disappeared at the same time, replaced by cardboard cartons and plastic jugs.

Lugging jugs of "Jug Milk" from the corner store to the front door is the delivery system in every place where I have lived or visited, and it has been for decades.

They're even trying to replace door to door delivery of mail in new subdivisions with outdoor curbside postal boxes serving the entire subdivision.

Of course, the delivery man doesn't get his Christmas bonus at the door anymore.



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I can’t picture a ‘jug of jug milk’. Isn’t it hard to carry without spilling, or is this not really a jug? Traditionally we give a ‘Christmas box’ (ie: money) to regular deliverymen, but these days they seem to change once a month, so we reserve our generosity for the dustmen, who are more consistent and also excellent but can do you a real disservice if you upset them!

In the UK we do still have doorstep delivery of milk, normally in cartons or screw top plastic containers but I suspect still in bottles in some areas. It is a very useful service for the elderly and housebound as the milkman often delivers other groceries, particularly in rural areas, and is a good regular contact. I don’t think we have ‘milk stores’ as such, but most people buy milk from the supermarkets where it is cheaper (often sold as a loss-leader) than from the milkman.

We would prefer to use the milkman as it would be a shame to see them finally disappear, they have been part of the scene for so long a time, but the service is only ideal for a household that needs the same amount of milk each day and where there is always someone home to take it in.



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I can’t picture a ‘jug of jug milk’. Isn’t it hard to carry without spilling, or is this not really a jug?

A picture is worth a thousand words, dxb.

Here's a Milk Jug recycled as a bird feeder.

http://users.aristotle.net/~shicks/birds/Feeder.html

Some larger jugs don't have a handle inset into the jug which takes away from capacity. Instead they have a plastic handle hanging from the neck of the Jug.

"Milk Stores" are really just convenience stores that got started selling milk at discount prices, probably as a loss leader.

I have heard that there is a company in Michigan that recycles milk jugs into all-weather patio furniture. It won't wear, chip or fade, and you can leave it outside all year long.


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Nah, I am not EVEN gonna tell the old story about the milk bath. Well, maybe if someone who hasn't heard it asks me.



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From the time I was a child (1930s) up until my children were approaching their teens (1965) we had daily milk delivery - even during the WWII years when retired milkmen were recalled to old jobs.
The containers were glass, one quart bottles with a cardboard cap that had a tiny flap which allowed easy opening. Cream was delivered in pint bottles and I think it was always heavy cream that could be whipped.
In winter if you didn't take the milk in early the milk would freeze and expand and you'd find the cream - which was on the top of the bottle - above the top of the bottle with the cap jauntily atop the cream!
The Milkman also sold butter and sometimes eggs,too, this was handy when snow storms hit - at least you had something for breakfast. A note in the empty milk bottle was all that was required. Milkmen knew their customers and never seemed to be short of what you needed. Like mailmen, they came in all kinds of weather! The Breadman was also dependable and he had cookies and cakes in addition to bread which, in those days was always white!
After the war, 1945, our milkman told us about the possibility the "bottles" would soon be made of plastic. This, he said would save the company money because plastic bottles could be discarded by homeowners and the truck would not carry the empty milk bottles back to the plant. A lighter load equaling less gas for the truck.
I don't know exactly when home delivery was stopped as we were moving a lot as the Captain's stations changed between 1965 and 1968...but ... when we returned from the Philippines in 1968 home delivery was a thing of the past.
Now I buy milk at corner store or the supermarket and only the Postman still makes daily rounds. In the US before WWII the mail came twice a day - once a day delivery was instituted during the war because of the manpower shortge and never was reinstated.





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We still had home delivery of dairy products available from Dairy Crest Farms when I moved from Denver in July last year. It wasn't overly expensive, and they had a menu you filled out and left on top of the milk box outside the door. The dairy person would fill your order and place it in the box.

They had great cookie dough, though in fairly large (maybe five-pound) sizes. And bagels to die for.



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a word that you have never seen before and all of a sudden it's showing up everywhere.
I think you have to distinguish two cases:
a. subjective only, something to do with triggered awareness
b. the sudden spreading of the thing is real: penetration (as used by the publicity trade), percolation (more physical)


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only the Postman still makes daily rounds.

and in urban area's, the newspaper man.

in sub urban areas, there are still newspaperboys with routes and bikes, but in urban areas (like my building) which might have 50 customers in one building, and the route might have a couple of thousand people, newspapers are delivered by adults, who drive cars. billing is by credit card, (but at christmas time, most delivery people will send you a card with their return address clearly marked on the card) but many are great.. i got my times consistant before 7AM--i could leave for work at 7:20 and it was always there.

and in urban area like mine, most grocery stores, (many of which are small compared to sub urban/rural areas) will deliver. you carry home your frozen foods, perhaps your meat purchases (in a small rolling grocery cart) and the bulk of your purchases, (canned goods, staples, fruits and vegetables) are delivered to your door in a hour or less.

this service, for many of the very elderly (over age 80), allows them to live at home. it makes cities a great place to go old. its not cheap, but cheaper than a nursing home.

some stores will take fax orders, or telephone orders, too. so the very old don't even have to leave their houses in the very coldest or stormyest days.


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Oh! Helen! How could I forget newspaper carriers (hitting self on head with wet noodles- e) after all those years in the business! Thanks for the reminder.
There is one supermarket in my area that will deliver orders for a reasonable fee. So far I haven't needed the service but it's nice to know it's available.



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so we reserve our generosity for the dustmen

What are dustmen dxb?


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In Québec, 80% of regular milk is sold in bags holding three, one-litre flexible plastic pouches. Every household has a holder for these pouches. The balance is sold in cartons.

We go through about 1 to 2 litres per day on weekends, and 1/2 litre per day during the week.

Chocolate milk is sold in 1L plastic jugs and cartons.

Bread products were still delivered by breadman until the early eighties. He'd have the usual breads, donuts and cakes along with fresh eggs. He'd always know exactly how much bread we needed, even if we were away when he passed. He'd leave the loaves on the counter beside the door in the kitchen. Those were the days where the doors were never locked.

Milk deliveries stopped in the early seventies.




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Dustmen = household refuse collectors

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Bel, "dustmen" are the guys who pick up your kerbside rubbish ...

"My old man's a dustman,
'E wears a dustman's 'at,
'E wears gorblimey trousers
an' 'e lives in a council flat.
'E looks a proper 'nana
in 'is great big 'obnailed boots.
'E's got such a job to pull 'em on
that 'e calls 'em daisy roots!"


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the sudden spreading of the thing

Yes, wseiber, like a sudden coalescence or "crystallization".

If you think of crystallization in a laboratory beaker, one moment the solution is completely clear, add another drop, a single drop, and the next moment the solution is completely transformed into color.

In the blink of an eye
You'll let out a cry
"It's all crystal clear to me now!"


There are only six degrees of saturation separating the invisible world from the visible.


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In Lancashire, we still have a daily delivery of milk in bottles with a silver-foil cap. In the spring and summer, the milkman puts a flat stone (left nearby) on top so that the bluetits can;t peck through the foil. He drives quite a distance, so uses a diesel truck for deliveries, but plenty of places still have the electric "milk float."

I also remember the cardboard caps with a tab, wow - at school in the '40s and '50s the free milk for the children came in 1/3 pint bottles with that sort of cap. It also had a perforated round area in the middle of the cap that you could poke a straw through to drink the milk.

As to Faldages original enquiry - if y'all remember what that was - could the 'heightened awareness' (which is what I believe you were searching for) be termed "altasensitivity" ?


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Rhuby!! Your presence is all too rare these days. I like that altasensitivity although, hearing no objections, I might go for hypersensitivity.


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were called pogs, and had a thankfully short-lived reincarnation as kids' toys of some kind a few years back. I don't remember how it worked, but the little tykes were gambling with them, causing most school districts to ban them. This, in turn, made them even more desireable, of course.

I'll look it up to see what the gambling thing was all about.

Edit:

Well, I'll be darned. This claims they were not from the milk bottles, though the concept's identical:

Cardboard money.
My serious addiction to Pepperidge Farms Goldfish Tiny Crackers(R) has enabled me to complete multiple sets of Goldfish milkcaps (collect all six!). Milkcaps, for those of you cowering under rocks, are small cardboard discs with images on them. These are implemented by the global youth in some sort of 90's Marbles game mutant offshoot. They used to be called "POG"s (for "Papaya Orange Guava", the types of bottled juice that originally yielded the game pieces), but of course someone snarfed the trademark to that one. If you can imagine a tiny Goldfish cracker engaging in he-man MTV-type sports depicted on a small cardboard disc, you're just as insane as the marketing board that came up with this idea. These are three concepts that should have never been crossed. Someone should keep track of this heinous trend and make a coffee table book: "Late 20th Century Travesties in Marketing". Anyone interested in acquiring the rarer "Spike!" (armless Goldfish wearing handkerchief and sunglasses, somehow playing volleyball) or "Shot!" (armless Goldfish somehow implements hockey stick) milkcaps should drop me a line to receive a true Christmas Miracle(tm). As an aside (is there anything that I write that isn't an aside?), I enjoy saying the phrase "tiny crackers" immensely and try to work it into conversations whenever possible.





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I enjoy saying the phrase "tiny crackers" immensely and try to work it into conversations whenever possible

Very clever of you to sneak that in at the tail end of your post, TEdRem.

Since you are knackers for crackers, you might enjoy this old standard from Alfred E. Neuman of "Mad" magazine:

"It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsky in snide."




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I thought it might be a garbageman but the name dustman seems so much cleaner and lightweight...so then I thought, maybe, it could have been those men that clean your chimney of dust and such.

Thanks for the info guys.


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That would be a chimney sweep.

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Do the dustmen wear dusters?


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Only in some people's fantasy life.

Though some may wear knuckle dusters when they're off duty.

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Do the dustmen wear dusters?

If u dust a dustman off, will he still look dusty?

I don't want to get into a dust-up over this, but a chimney sweep can dust more dust than any dustman who ever dusted a dusty chimney.

This may seem like a speck of dust to you, but to a dustman, it's his living.

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I like that altasensitivity although, hearing no objections, I might go for hypersensitivity.


to me, Faldage, hyper- has the conotation of "too much" whereas my [re]alta- has the conotation of "heightened."

Besides, "hypersensitivity" is a recognised (and somewhat overused) word, whilst alta sensitivity is a bran-new coinage - I claim White Knight's privilege.


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White Knight's privilege

How could a say you gain? Altasensitivity it is.


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How could a say you gain? Altasensitivity it is.

I was going to agree with Rhubarb, Faldage, but I didn't want to poison his prospects.

Still, I think you have made the right decision.

Congratulations!

Maybe this is a move in the right direction.

When you create these word contests and act as the only Judge, there is no appeal to common sense.

At least, that has been the case up until now.

At last, we can ALL agree that I am not the only one who is always wrong around here.

I find you a lot more lovable when you're fallible, Faldage ... just like the rest of us.

I hope this means we can be "buds".



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Nope. Usually they wear a disgruntled expression. And take great pleasure in making as much noise as possible on the early morning when they come round our street. But the noise they make is nothing as compared with the dawn chorus of the recycling van men. I suspect they compete to see who can break the most bottles as they toss them into the van. Enough to turn you off being green.


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I suspect they compete to see who can break the most bottles as they toss them into the van. Enough to turn you off being green.

Try throwing at bottle at them, shanks.

You won't have to put a message in it. I think they'll get the message.




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Going back to the question..(sorry everybody, I know I am really late..just throwing in my 2 paise) I liked altasensitivity too, but here is another thought. Faldage, there is an anthropological term, called, 'Stimulus diffusion' used to explain the rapid tranmission of an idea or behaviour that is culturally inherited. One chimp cracks a nut with a stone and suddenly many more chimps are doing the same thing. You *could stretch the same concept to what you are looking for - ?epidemic awareness?



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>>>>Usually they wear a disgruntled expression. And take great pleasure in making as much noise as possible...

So I see dustmen/garbagemen are pretty much the same the world-round Mind you, if I had to be handling people's stinky garbage all day long, I'm not sure I'd be smiling all the time either.

Maybe because I'm a girl but anytime I've had encounter with them, they've been pretty nice (like when I'm running to catch up with garbage bags cause I forgot to take them out)




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Stimulus diffusion

good name for a band.

what was the "something-biquity" word that Max gave you in another thread? I liked that one.



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ubiquiphany

yah. dat be the one. thanks. did we ever get a proper pronunciation for that? or perhaps it could be just "ubiphany"?...



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eta, max's word is right here, further up.... serendubiquity
Chemical Brothers (did I get it right) I think is the name of a succesful band; so, yes, stimulus diffusion might sell too!


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serendubiquity

missed that one! that flows off the tongue pretty well, but seems a bit long to gain acceptance. but, who knows?



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Good double-dactyl fodder, at least.


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Maahey, ubiquiphany is Faldage's improvement of a rough draft I sent him privately. The signal to noise ratio in these fora has deteriorated rapidly, and markedly, of late, so I decided to make sure he could hear me by sending him a PM. Serendubiquity was my first attempt, the one I threw into the open here.


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I like serendubiquity. It's got dubious hidden in it (channeling Dub Dub'-e)


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I like serendubiquity. It's got dubious hidden in it

Yes, it's a fine coinage if the phenomenon we are describing was dubious, and not simply rare and sudden and oftimes felicitous.

The only thing "dubious" about "serendubiquity" is its eligibility for this "contest" in the first place.

I agree with simaq, "the signal to noise ratio in these fora has deteriorated rapidly".

The next thing you know someone is going to suggest "serendupidity".

As long as it isn't me, it will probably get serious consideration.

Frankly, I think you got robbed, Rhubarb.

That's what happens when the Judge sits on his own case with no appeal to anyone who makes any sense.

Just kiddin', Faldage.

At least we can say we agreed on "altasensitivity".

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Faldage, you are looking for a word for "out of the blue and everywhere", like the first rain of our lives, right?


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you are looking for a word for "out of the blue and everywhere", like the first rain of our lives, right?

It's like rain, alright, raju. And we're all getting soaked.

You are a newcomer and I don't want you to get drowned on your first visit.





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"out of the blue and everywhere"

It needs a personal precipitating event, I think. Like the red car example, it wouldn't happen if I hadn't bought the red car to start with. But otherwise, yeah, that's about it.


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Re: "out of the blue and everywhere" ...yeah, that's about it.

How about "ublinkquitous", Faldage?

I think I might just declare that the winner.

As jheem said so trenchantly in another thread: "Game and Match."


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red car

I'd thought you were referring to the experience of a process of a kind of learning in which one accumulates exposures, unawares, to a given thing over time until a 'critical mass of exposures' is reached and one becomes cognizant of it and the thing has been learned.

The red car example, though, suggests a modification of an adaptive filtering. A thing which has no special bearing on the observer, he may exclude from 'conscious observation'* as a way of organizing the world or making it manageable, becomes significant as the result of a specific experience or action on his part, here, buying a new red car.

Yes, there has to be a psych term for this kind of filtering and it's modification, as well as for the experience of an apparent new and sudden ubiquity.

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*This is all very loosely put, but...




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I think you're correct, IP. That's the way I read it, too.


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The red car example, though, suggests a modification of an adaptive filtering.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. In the case of car color it's unlikely that everybody, overnight, has decided to buy a red car. In the case of words, it may well be that a given word is enjoying a flash of popularity. OTOH, if I were searching for a given word and finally, after much effort I found it, then having it show up everywhere, that might be more like the red car example.


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unlikely that everybody, overnight, has decided to buy a red car.

However - - about six or seven years ago, I got a maths class that I was teaching to do some simple statistics by getting them to note the colo(u)rs of all the cars that passed the school gateway over a twenty-minute period. This definitely showed that there was a preponderance of red cars - something in the order of 20% more than any other colo(u)r, if I remember c'reckly.

At the moment, in the UK, I think there is little doubt that a similar exercise would show a marked imbalance toward silver-painted cars.

My own theory is that ICI (the major paint manufacturer in UK) cocks up on it's production every now and again, and offers their over-produced colo(u)r to the manufactureres at a vast discount, so the manufacturers make that colo(u)r "fashionable" ( which probably means they can charge even more for silver cars at the moment! )


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You're nearly right about colour there Rhu. When I worked in the patio furniture business, I was surprised to find out that there were textile organizations that met on a yearly basis to, among other things, discuss the colours and patterns that would be popular in the upcoming years.

It is no great surprise that fashion houses often wind up having similar textiles in their lines when you know this. You'll notice this all the time...all of a sudden, every store has clothing in neon colours, or khaki, or pied-de-poule.

This colour-scheming extends to many products used everyday. The cosmetics organizations follow the colour trends closely. That is why pastel eye shadows never come out while bright neon colours are the trend and earthtoned make-up comes out when earthtoned, natural fibre clothing does.

Cars manufacturers follow the same patterns.




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Of course, in my case, the red car in question was a 5 year old used car.


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Being associated with the design biz meself, I've argued in meetings that it shouldn't be called 'trend setting'. A 'trend' is something learned comparing during/after the facts. Someone who is 'trendy' responds to/joins with this newly learned trend. Isn't composing the future something different altagether .?. something even *beyond "trend setting" .?. prraps... 'Trending'?

'What makes "market building" in this way any different than "insider trading" (other than the speed in which the fallacy ocurrs - supply and demand my a**)


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Insider trading is an activity that benefits a small percentage of people to the detriment of others. Market building (I like the term) is not a function of supplying the demand, but creating a demand for the supply. Textile manufacturers have to sell their wares. If styles stayed the same for years, people would not change clothing as often – there’d be no reason to change clothing every season. Sales would go down. Companies would close. Yes, the big guys would have less money, but the regular joe would be affected too. For every company owner who makes a million, there’s hundreds, sometimes thousands or people who can feed their families. People would be out of work. I’m not arguing the fairness of the profit distribution here, just discussing the reasons behind creating the demand.

True, there could be a case made for the emotional benefits of not needing to follow trends but, face it, were not Amish, we like to stand out – even while fitting in. The best example is kids, who make a point of being “different” (while all looking the same ) than their parents. It’s a trend that repeats itself every generation. And these kids, who all think they are so original, they don’t give a second thought to the fact that the styles they are wearing to be different, were decided upon by big corporations the seasons before.

There are good and bad points in this system, I just don’t think it can be compared to insider trading though.


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Have a care, dear Faldage Hi Betsy - there was a study done quite some years ago that found drivers of red cars were stopped more often by police than drivers of cars in other colors.
When a further study was done on judging the speed of cars by observation alone, with many colors of cars passing a fixed point, all going 35 mph, it turned out people consistantly thought the red cars were going faster than they actually were!
When I had my red sports car I was stopped a few times - but never got a ticket. Prolly had something to do with being young and blonde and not bad looking - ya think maybe?


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Dear belM - re a trend that repeats itself every generation you are so right. I just received a Nordstorm catologue that features an off-shoulder "peasant" dress. Shade of my youth! Those very dresses were popular in 1948! I know, I had one!


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Peasant dresses...Aye, and popular again in the seventies and a bit of a comeback in the 90's.


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"...compared to insider trading though."

They are both taking *exclusive advantage of "living in the future".


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"Creating a demand" means you are in a position to know before your competitors what that demand will be and are able to position yourself in front of them "in line" to sell... albeit larger 'lines', more of them, a wider consumer base and a larger beneficiary of the advantage realized... or so the CFO's will tell you. Insider trading laws seem to be smaller, specific context versions of monopoly/anti-trust laws. The EU just fined a very large software company for very similar reasons.


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>>blond and not bad looking<<

It is a statistical fact that blonds get stopped for speeding even more than red cars [sic]. ;)


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Theres a couple of points to consider in this case Musick...

When it comes to the choice of colours, the general tones are decided upon by textile manufactures. It isn't just one manufacturer that decides, for example, that bright oranges will be popular this year, it's the whole lot of them. It's not coincidence that a whole pile of different brands come out with variations on the same themes. So you don't really have one company at an advantage over an other.

Cosmetic manufacturers follow the fashion industry. All of them have access to the same information, so one manufacturer is not in a better position than another there either.

There is really no monopoly involved since they all belong to the same associations and are aware of the same information.

It's how they interpret and deal with that information that makes them successful or not.


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colours and patterns that would be popular in the upcoming years

There was an article about this [sic] group in the NY Times a number of years ago. It was composed of a number of women who met in a windowless room in the Garment District. It was fascinating, and in the end so fantastic that after wondering about it for a few months I dismissed it as fairytale. (Do you have any more information?)


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Unfortunately, I can't give you any more info that that above. Even if I was in charge of coordinating the textiles for the different provinces - a pretty important job since if you chose the wrong colours the line would flop - I was not invited to these meetings since I was but an underling in the scheme of things.

The company owner was a member of the association and told me about it after such a meeting.

(Just as an aside, I did rather well since I am an avid reader and used to read all the fashion mags to get a feel for the colours. Best year they ever had apparently. O.K., o.k., I'll stop bragging now )


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