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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Re: Scatology : "Up" #119209 01/10/04 02:35 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 faint heart Because we're talking about particles of phrasal verbs and 'up' in your example is a preposition. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Scatology : "Up" #119210 01/10/04 02:48 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont would that be one of them "prepositional crossovers?" formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Nuances #119211 01/11/04 03:14 PM Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,296 Piedmont Region of Virginia, U... W Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Wordwind Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,296 Piedmont Region of Virginia, U... For the record, I do hear and feel a nuance of meaning change between such verbal phrases as 'straighten a closet' and 'straighten up a closet.' If I straighten up anything, I'm aiming for the high side of my straightening capabilities, which are sorely limited, let me assure you. If I'm straightening a room, I'm making it look in reasonable order on my scale, which is by far lower than average. But if I'm set on straightening up a room, the level is higher because the word 'up' suggests the heights. Up is [oh, let me holding my ridiculously-beating romantic's heart] a word of spiritual ascent with wings upon it. To straighten something is one thing, but straighten up something is different, yes, in the very nuance you all were discussing. Something straightened up is glowing with order. And if I've straightened up something, then on the scale, I've attained the heights for me and probably just about average on normal folks' scale. We have here in the States the cola that makes you feel up seven days a week: 7-Up Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,317 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 688 guests, and 1 robot. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 31 A C Bowden 13 LukeJavan8 1 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 tsuwm 10,542 wofahulicodoc 10,534 LukeJavan8 9,916 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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