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#118771 02/08/04 03:31 PM
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Interesting that this should come up. I was looking through one of Chas. Funk's books on word and phrase origins, when I noticed that muscle and mussel are both from Latin musculus 'little mouse'. The related Sanskrit mushka 'testicle, female pudendum' (Hode and weibliche Scham in Pokorny); I wonder why A-H dropped the second from their review of English words derived from the root *mu:s- 'mouse; muscle'. Another cognate is Old Bulgarian (aka Old Church Slavonic) mush'tsa 'brachion, arm' and Greek muschon 'sex organ' (Geschlechtsorgan in Pokorny, to andreion kai gunaikeion morion 'the masculine and feminine genitals' in Liddell-Scott). Something about mice and body parts in PIE.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE332.html



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Remember that to-do we had (about a thousand years ago, I think) over musk sticks? This was my whole point... It may have smelled sexy in the 70s, but why would anyone want to *ingest* anything tasting like musk? And musky wine is a far cry from muscat/muscadine!


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I remembered reading something of the Waldensians years ago and googled it. However, I have never seen one of the terms used, which was "soteriology", meaning, it turns out "The theological doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus."

Looks like the study of a particularly nasty skin condition to me!


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soteriology

SYLLABICATION: so·te·ri·ol·o·gy
PRONUNCIATION: s-tîr-l-j
NOUN: The theological doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus.
ETYMOLOGY: Greek strion, deliverance (from str, savior, from saos, ss, safe; see teu- in Appendix I) + –logy.
OTHER FORMS: so·teri·o·logic (--ljk) , so·teri·o·logi·cal (--kl) —ADJECTIVE

ENTRY: teu-
DEFINITION: Also teu-. To swell. Oldest form *teu2-.
Derivatives include thigh, thousand, thimble, tumor, butter, and tomb.
1. Extended form *teuk-. thigh, from Old English thoh, thigh, from Germanic *theuham, “the swollen or fat part of the leg,” thigh. 2. Extended form *ts-. thousand, from Old English thsend, thousand, from Germanic compound *ths-hundi-, “swollen hundred,” thousand (*hundi-, hundred; see dek). 3. Probably suffixed zero-grade form *tu-l-. a. thole, from Old English thol(l), oar pin, oarlock (< “a swelling”), from Germanic *thul-; b. tylectomy, tylosis1, from Greek tulos, callus, lump. 4. Extended zero-grade form *tm-. a. thimble, thumb, from Old English thma, thumb (< “the thick finger”), from Germanic *thmn-; b. suffixed (stative) form *tum--. tumescent, tumid, tumor; detumescence, intumesce, tumefacient, tumefy, from Latin tumre, to swell, be swollen, be proud; c. suffixed form *tum-olo-. tumulus, from Latin tumulus, raised heap of earth, mound. 5. Extended zero-grade form *tbh-. truffle, tuber; protuberate, from Latin tber, lump, swelling. 6. Suffixed zero-grade form *t-ro- (< *tu-ro-). a. butter, tyrosine, from Greek tros, cheese (< “a swelling,” “coagulating”); b. obturate, from Latin -trre, to stop up, possibly from *tros, swollen, coagulated, stopped up. 7. Suffixed variant form *tw-ro-. a. sorites, sorus, from Greek sros, heap, pile; b. quark2, from Old Church Slavonic tvarog, curds, cottage cheese. 8. Suffixed variant form *tw-m. soma1, somato-, –some3; prosoma, from Greek sma, body (< “a swelling,” “stocky form”). 9. Suffixed zero-grade form *tw-wo-. creosote, soteriology, from Greek saos, ss, safe, healthy (< “swollen,” “strong”), with derivative verb szein, to save. 10. Perhaps nasalized extended form *tu-m-b(h)- (or extended zero-grade form *tum-). tomb, from Greek tumbos, barrow, tomb. (Pokorny tu- 1080.)



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Yes, soter is Gk for 'savior', while we're more familiar with the Latin salvator (as in El Salvador / San Salvador in Spanish). Soter is the 'S' in the Jesus fish acronym sign you see on the bumpers of some cars: Iesous CHristos THeou hUios Soter = ichthus. I first ran across soteriology when reading a huge book on early Christian heresies by some German Lutheran theologian historian. Lots of fun with Pelagianists, Arians, Donatists, Marcellianists, Priscillianists, et al.


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quark 2, from Old Church Slavonic tvarog, curds, cottage cheese.

So quark as a particle in physics from a character's name in Finnegans Wake, but also a grand dairy product in Germany. Thicker than yoghurt, thinner than cream cheese. Makes a goodly schmier on a bagel, or can be eaten plain with maybe a little bit jam mixed in. "Three huffs for Mr Quark." (Oh, and then there's the barkeeper on Deep Space 9, one of the Star Trek franchises.


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Creosote (in Appendix above) is a "wood saver"
creosote

SYLLABICATION: cre·o·sote
PRONUNCIATION: kr-st
NOUN: 1. A colorless to yellowish oily liquid containing phenols and creosols, obtained by the destructive distillation of wood tar, especially from the wood of a beech, and formerly used as an expectorant in treating chronic bronchitis. 2. A yellowish to greenish-brown oily liquid containing phenols and creosols, obtained from coal tar and used as a wood preservative and disinfectant. It can cause severe neurological disturbances if inhaled in strong concentrations.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: cre·o·sot·ed, cre·o·sot·ing, cre·o·sotes
To treat or paint with creosote.
ETYMOLOGY: German Kreosot : Greek kreas, flesh; see kreu- in Appendix I + Greek str, preserver (from szein, to save; see teu- in Appendix I).



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jheem, the Waldensian Winery is in the town of Valdese--
you can check out their annual Waldensian festival at their
website.
In pursuit of links, it just occurred to me to wonder if
Walden's pond was named for the same group or its founder..


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it just occurred to me to wonder if Walden's pond was named for the same group or its founder.

Walden Pond was probably just named after some local worthy named Walden. The surname is from the placename (there're about 3 in England) meaning 'valley of the Britons' < wala (gen pl of walh 'stranger, Welsh') & denu 'valley'.


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gen pl of walh 'stranger, Welsh'

I allus thunk it was perty dang uppity a them Sassenach ta come garbagin inta a country and start callin the natives furriners.


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