|About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us|
You are not logged in. [Log In] Wordsmith.org » Forums » General Topics » Miscellany » Regular Verbs Register User Forum List Calendar Active Topics Search FAQ
#116028 - 11/17/03 11:10 PM Re: Gerund v. Participle
Loc: rego park
my contributions is to an other interesting set of irregular verbs.. like the spring/sprang/sprung...
this is a YART--but its so much fun...
i never put them 'together'(i read them somewhere) and i was gobsmacked...
spring them on your students, WW... i suppose only wordies like us are going to be impressed.. but maybe you'll out a wordie, or create one.._________________________
my other obsession
#116029 - 11/18/03 06:12 AM Re: Gerund v. Participle
Don't overgeneralize me, Dub' Dub. I'm saying that you can't slip an -ing word easily into a pigeon hole just by looking at its position in a sentence. If your candle ceremony were lighting something it might buy lighting as a participle. As it is, I'm sticking by adjectival noun gerund. Fire doesn't suddenly become an adjective because you have stuck it in front of the word hose in the phrase fire hose. It's an adjectival noun. The same with a substantive adjective, as in The Young and the Restless. The fact that those babies are *acting as nouns doesn't make them nouns.
Personally, I think if you try teaching these borderline cases to ninth graders you're going destroy any hope of getting them to like grammar.
#116030 - 11/18/03 08:35 PM Re: Gerund v. Participle
This entry from the Oxford Dictionary of English Grammar may help:
The -ing form of the verb when used in a partly noun-like way, as in No Smoking (in contrast to the same form used as a PARTICIPLE, e.g. Everyone was smoking). (Sometimes called verbal noun.)
Both the term gerund, from Latin grammar, and the term verbal noun are out of favour among some modern grammarians, because the nounlike and verblike uses of the -ing form exist on a cline. For example, in My smoking twnety cigarettes a day annoys them, smoking is nounlike in having a determiner (my) and in being the head of a phrase (my smoking twenty cigarettes a day), which is the subject of the sentence; but it is verblike in taking an object and adverbial (twenty cigarettes a day), and it retains verbal meaning.
In other words, there's a continuum where it's pretty obvious what's a gerund at one end and what's a participle at the other, but with a whole lot of uses with mixed features in the middle which are more like or less like each end. Whether you want to point this out to their young innocent trusting minds is another matter.
Forum Stats 8817 Members
Max Online: 3341 @ 12/09/11 02:15 PM
Newest Members T_V, Gya, MichaelD, Rudolph, Cowboy_Monkey
8817 Registered Users
Who's Online 0 registered (), 44 Guests and 4 Spiders online. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters (30 Days)
wofahulicodoc 85 LukeJavan8 67 endymion6 43 Cowboy_Monkey 38 A C Bowden 34 Tromboniator 3 tsuwm 2 hogmaster 2 May 2 PGL 1
wwh 13858 Faldage 13803 Jackie 11613 tsuwm 10528 Buffalo Shrdlu 7210 LukeJavan8 7197 AnnaStrophic 6511 Wordwind 6296 wofahulicodoc 5575 of troy 5400
Board Rules · Mark all read Contact Us · Wordsmith.org · Top
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.
Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat
© 2014 Wordsmith