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#114228 - 10/22/03 07:00 PM he who laughs first
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i'm curious about the "he who laughs first" adage*...

(1) any ideas of its origin?

(2) what is the actual quote... i've seen it as
(a) he who laughs first laughs last
(b) he who laughs first laughs best
(c) he who laughs first cries at the last
??

(3) what is its point?



*as an aside, and please don't let this divert the scholars from addressing my original question, but i'm curious as to the distinctions between [among?] maxims, adages, proverbs and aphorisms...

TIA =)




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#114229 - 10/22/03 08:47 PM Re: he who laughs first
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Hello guest,

I've only heard it as "He who laughs last, laughs loudest". I don't know what the guy who laughs first does. (Although I have also heard "He who laughs first didn't really understand the situation.")


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#114230 - 10/22/03 09:47 PM Re: he who laughs first
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I've always heard/read it as "He who laughs last, laughs longest."

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#114231 - 10/22/03 09:50 PM Re: he who laughs first
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Yup, are you sure about that laughs first part? I've only ever heard the laughs last version.


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#114232 - 10/22/03 10:08 PM Re: he who laughs first
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he who laughs last, is the slowest person to get the joke...

or more conventionally,
he who laughs last, laughs best..
(i think its to do with pranks and practical jokes.. the person who get the last joke in gets the best laugh. but the just MHO!)

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#114233 - 10/22/03 10:23 PM Re: he who laughs first
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I've always understood it as meaning, wait till the final result before you start crowing because the underdog can always make a comeback

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#114234 - 10/23/03 12:44 AM Re: he who laughs first
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"He who laughs last, laughs best."

~The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.



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#114235 - 10/23/03 02:13 AM Re: he who laughs first
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Up here, it's normally, "he who laughs last, laughs longest."

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#114236 - 10/23/03 10:28 AM Re: he who laughs first
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I always thought it was, 'he who laughs last, laughs loudest' but my SO insists it is definitely, 'he who laughs last, laughs loudest'. As to it's meaning, I'm with Bingley.
**incidentally** here's http://www.calvin.edu/~lhaarsma/maxims.html a muted chuckle.

those googlesults in full
he who laughs last, laughs loudest 231
he who laughs last, laughs longest 303
he who laughs first, laughs loudest 0
he who laughs first, laughs longest 0
he who laughs first laughs last 78
he who laughs first laughs best 1
he who laughs first cries at the last 0

from Cambridge Int.
maxim
noun [C]
a brief statement of a general truth, principle or rule for behaviour
adage
noun [C]
a wise saying; proverb: (from Latin i fink, means saying)
proverb
noun
a short pithy saying in frequent and widespread use expressing a basic truth or practical concept.
aphorism
noun [C]
a short clever saying which is intended to express a general truth.

so, not much difference really. a maxim is more like a rule. proverb and adage really are the same thing. an aphorism seems to me to be more likely to be a direct quote, and doesn't have to be in widespread use.





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#114237 - 10/23/03 11:03 AM Re: googlesults
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Ya left out "he who laughs last, laughs best" 1230


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#114238 - 10/23/03 11:13 AM Ya left out "he who laughs last, laughs best" 1230
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ha!


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#114239 - 10/23/03 12:21 PM Left out
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He who told the joke laughed first.


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#114240 - 10/23/03 12:26 PM Re: Left out
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Ho who laughs first, laughs worst.

Well, hey! At least it rhymes!


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#114241 - 10/23/03 01:56 PM 1230 examples of slackness
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Ya left out "he who laughs last, laughs best

goddammit


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#114242 - 10/23/03 02:05 PM Re: he who laughs first
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I always thought it was, 'he who laughs last, laughs loudest' but my SO insists it is definitely, 'he who laughs last, laughs loudest'.

I don't see any disagreement there, dody!

Meanwhile, guest, shall the first be the last?


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#114243 - 10/23/03 03:46 PM Re: he who laughs first
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aaaaarrrrrghh, what is wrong with me today? i'm putting it all down to the cold freezing my brain up ( heating has packed up again),on the other hand it's a poor workman who blames his tools, how many permutations d'you reckon that one has?


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#114244 - 10/23/03 03:48 PM Re: he who laughs first
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Well, I see that the preferred version up here has a slight lead, even if it's a statitistically insignifcant one.

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#114245 - 10/23/03 03:53 PM Re: a slight lead, 303 to 1230
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max, I see you're mantling "he who laughs last, laughs best" as well.


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#114246 - 10/23/03 04:02 PM Re: a slight lead, 303 to 1230
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>max, I see you're mantling "he who laughs last, laughs best" as well.

Non capisco. I was only going off dody's list, is all. Sorry.

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#114247 - 10/24/03 03:40 PM Could this be the magic, at last?
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He who laughs last laughs' last. (the order of the laugh implies an enduring quality)

G*d forbid I may have put the apostrophe in the wrong spot... [ducking and running for cover-e]


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#114248 - 10/24/03 03:52 PM Re: Could this be the magic, at last?
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Or, to put it more succinctly:

He who laughs, lasts.


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#114249 - 10/24/03 04:40 PM Re: he who laughs first
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The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002. "He who laughs last, laughs best"

Which means:
"You may laugh now, thinking you have won, but you may not prevail in the end." 1




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#114250 - 10/24/03 05:35 PM Re: he who laughs first
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So, - he who laughs first, laughs least?


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