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Posted By: rav two silly questions - 01/08/03 09:47 PM
not about words but i need to know:
1) was winnie the pooh she or he?
2) who firstly sung "yellow lemon tree" 'cause i quarreled with my mother about it: she says it was cohen and that she is older than me (what definitely is truth:) so she must know better. i have anxious feeling she's right but i'd rather didn't..

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 01/08/03 09:55 PM
Posted By: tsuwm Re: two silly questions - 01/08/03 09:59 PM
I thought Winnie was a tribute to Winston Churchill..

Posted By: Faldage Re: two silly questions - 01/08/03 10:28 PM
was winnie the pooh she or he?

The first line from Winnie Ille Pu:

Ecce Eduardus Ursus scalis nunc tump-tump-tump occipite gradus pulsante post Christophorum Robinum descendens.

Sounds masculine to me.

who firstly sung "yellow lemon tree"

Best I can find is a song called Lemon Tree but which refers to a "yellow lemon tree"; it's credited to Fool's Garden.

http://www.lyrics.pl/teksty/zagraniczne/foolsgarden/lemontree.htm
Posted By: wwh Re: two silly questions - 01/09/03 01:12 AM
According to the Winnie-the-Pooh FAQ, "...every character
in Winnie-the-Pooh and The House at Pooh Corner are boys
except Kanga. There are references to other female
characters, namely some of Rabbit's friends and relations, but
none of them have any speaking parts."

Interestingly enough, the original bear that inspired the fictional
character was female. During World War I, a Canadian
lieutenant named Harry Colebourne was on his way to Europe
when he bought a female black bear cub whose mother had
been killed by a hunter. He named her Winnipeg (Winnie for
short), after his hometown.

The cub accompanied the unit to Britain and became the
brigade's mascot. When Colebourne was sent to France, he
gave Winnie to the London Zoo. It was here that Christopher
Robin Milne, son of author A.A. Milne, met and fell in love with
the bear. He visited her often at the zoo and renamed his teddy
bear (a male originally named Edward Bear) Winnie-the-Pooh.
(The "Pooh" part was the name of a real swan). Inspired by his
son's beloved stuffed animals, A.A. Milne wrote
Winnie-the-Pooh, which was published in 1926. Walt Disney
later bought the rights to the book and made several animated
short films.

The first chapter of the book clearly establishes Pooh's gender.
Milne wrote:

When I first heard his name, I said, just as you are
going to say, "But I thought he was a boy?"
"So did I," said Christopher Robin.
"Then you can't call him Winnie?"
"I don't."
"But you said---"
"He's Winnie-ther-Pooh. Don't you know what
'ther' means?"
"Ah, yes, now I do," I said quickly; and I hope you
do too, because it is all the ex

Posted By: rav Re: two silly questions - 01/09/03 08:57 AM
wwh thank you for that comprehensive answer. my doubts appeared when i heard about new idition idiot + edition :P of that book where a lady who was translating made winnie a girl (is it like pc "for good reasons" :)?). well, now i relaxed :)

and great thanks for Faldage:
>Best I can find is a song called Lemon Tree but which refers to a "yellow lemon tree"; it's credited to Fool's Garden.

that's what i wanted to hear :))


Posted By: belligerentyouth Re: two silly questions - 01/12/03 12:52 PM
>Best I can find is a song called Lemon Tree but which refers to a "yellow lemon tree"; it's credited to Fool's Garden.

...ah yes .. Fool's Garden - file under "melodic bubble-gum rock"

'Lemon Tree' is off their 1996 album 'Dish of the Day' http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/7438/fgtree.htm. They are truly one hit wonders. They come from some back-of-beyond place in Schabenland.; the odd accent can be detected in the English lyrics of their sole number one single. Although having had some releases since Lemon Tree, they've had nothing like the same success. I don't know that song "The Lemon Tree" Wordwind was talking about - wonder if it's similar....

Posted By: Faldage Re: two silly questions - 01/12/03 01:00 PM
that song "The Lemon Tree" Wordwind was talking about

WAG

Lemon tree very pretty
And the lemon flower is sweet,
But the fruit of the poor lemon
Is impossible to eat.


With a sort of calypso lilt.

Posted By: wofahulicodoc High Calypso? - 01/12/03 05:39 PM
Lemon tree very pretty
And the lemon flower is sweet,
But the fruit of the poor lemon
Is impossible to eat.

With a sort of calypso lilt


Harry Belafonte, late Fifties?

Edit:
Nope: "Lemon Tree is the ninth (9th) song on the Peter, Paul, & Mary album and the third (3rd) song on the Ten Years Together album. It is an original song by Peter, Paul, And Mary."

Google strikes again.



Posted By: magimaria Re: High Calypso, indeed! - 01/12/03 05:50 PM
All googling aside, Harry Belafonte sang the definitive version of this 'lemon tree', if not the original one. And so what if it was in the sixties (ah....the sixties) and not the fifties?

And for those of you who have only heard Fool's Garden's 'Yellow Lemon Tree,' try this one out...

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 01/12/03 06:26 PM
Posted By: TEd Remington Re: Lemon Tree (not the yellow one) - 01/13/03 12:37 AM
It was in a movie too, I think. Try "Under the Yum Yum Tree."


Edit:

No, drat! That's not it. It was some other insipid movie of that genre and that timeframe.
Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: Lemon Tree (not the yellow one) - 01/13/03 02:20 PM
http://users2.ev1.net/~smyth/linernotes/personel/HoltWill.htm

This is an interesting link to Will Holt, but it gives no definite date for Lemon Tree.

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