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Posted By: maverick Gentle words - 02/05/02 10:58 AM
A friend sent me a dozen quotes last night, and I thought a few in particular might have a resonance amongst the auld gang, given some of the aggro of the recent past - hope you enjoy, in the gentle spirit they are offered.


Remember, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt

I am firm. You are obstinate. He is a pig-headed fool.
Katherine Whitehorn

Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
GK Chesterton

Life is worth being lived, but not being discussed all the time.
Isabelle Adjani, Time 1979

When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
Winston Churchill


Posted By: Fiberbabe Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 12:32 PM
Good ones, Mav. I recently found myself thinking of The only person's behavior you can control is your own. I can't find an author to attribute it to, so lacking the facts, I'll say Mom.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 02:25 PM
When the eagles are silent

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

NPR had a story about bald eagles recently and had some recorded raptor screeches to illustrate it. A registered raptorologist called in to complain that the bird calls they used were not those of a bald eagle but those of a red-tailed hawk. He went on to say that the sound of the bald eagle sounded like a cross between the honk of a goose and the quack of a duck that was being squeezed.

Posted By: wwh Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 02:59 PM
I admire 'winnie, but I can't think of a place where eagles and parrots co-exist.

Posted By: maverick Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 03:06 PM
a place where eagles and parrots co-exist

London Zoo? [/blitz]

Posted By: Faldage Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 03:16 PM
where eagles and parrots co-exist.

Mexico, Central and much of South America?

Posted By: wwh Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 03:19 PM
Same countries, of course, but same environments?

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 03:31 PM
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well.
Joe Ancis

Thou wilt quarrel with a man that hath a hair more or a
hair less in his beard than thou hast. Thou wilt quarrel with a
man for cracking nuts, having no other reason but because thou
hast hazel eyes; what eye but such an eye, would spy out
such a quarrel? Thy head is full of quarrels, as an egg is full of meat.

Shakespeare

A good word is an easy obligation, but not to speak ill, requires only our silence,
which costs us nothing.

Tillotson

Sweet speaking oft a currish heart reclaims.
Sidney

O wad some pow'r the giftie gie us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It was frae mony a blunder free us,
And foolish notion.

Burns

Open your purse and your mouth cautiously; and your
stock of wealth and reputation shall, at least in repute, be great.

Zimmerman

Discretion in speech is more than eloquence.
Bacon

Immodest words admit of no defense
For want of decency is want of sense.

Earl of Roscommon

Fie! what a spendthrift he is of his tongue!
Shakespeare

Ill seemes (say'd he) if he so valiant be,
That he would be so sterne to stranger wight;
For seldom yet did living creature see
That courtesie and manhood ever disagree.

Spenser

That best portion of a man's good life
His little nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of
love.

Wordsworth

The drying up a single tear has more
Of honest fame, than shedding seas of gore.

Byron

Honesty coupled to beauty, is to have honey a sauce to sugar.
Shakespeare

That inexhaustible good nature, which is itself the most
precious gift of Heaven, spreading itself like oil over the troubled
sea of thought, and keeping the mind smooth and equable
in the roughest weather.

Irving

Great souls by instinct to each other turn,
Demand alliance, and in friendship burn.

Addison

Friendship is the only thing in the world concerning the usefulness
of which all mankind are agreed.

Cicero


Posted By: Faldage Re: Gentle words - 02/05/02 03:34 PM
same environments?

I suspect. YCLIU. Google parrot range and eagle range. The bald eagle covers all of Florida and I know there's parrots in there. There is a swatch of West Africa working into central Africa that is a parrot range that may easily harbor an African eagle of one sort or another. I don't have the spare time to check into it but this is right up your alley.

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen . - 02/05/02 08:10 PM
Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Eagle-eyed parrots - 02/05/02 10:10 PM
They did once upon a long ago in Aotearoa, when the mighty hapgornis still lived - what I wouldn't give to have seen that beauty.

I've seen a semi-mummified one in a cave on the West Coast, Max. And I gave $80 for the privilege. Oh, and the loan of the wetsuit and the truck tyre for the blackwater rafting ...


Posted By: wow Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 01:25 PM
It is easier to punish than to understand
(McDermott)

Innocence has nothing to dread
(Racine)

We lay aside letters never to read them again, and at last we destroy them out of discretion, and so disappears the most beautiful, the most immediate breath of life, irrecoverably for ourselves and others.
(Goethe)

One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law. Hi Sparteye
(Junius)

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him
(John Viscount Morley)

It is not enough to do good; one must do it in the right way.
(John Viscount Morley)

Mediocrity has no greater consolation than in the thought that genius is not immortal.
(Goethe)

Posted By: maverick Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 01:35 PM
some more elegantly expressed nuggets of wisdom, guys - thanks!

The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well.

~ reminded me of the (Musical Hall?) gag: "The whole world's mad apart from me and thee... and I'm not too sure about thee...!"

Anyone know the origin of this? You there, Rhuby?


Posted By: wwh Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 02:11 PM
I heard it long ago, allegedly quoted by "an old Quaker".

Posted By: Keiva Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 05:12 PM
More later, but this came across my desk today:

"The Internet offers extensive knowledge, but it does not teach values and when values are disregarded, our very humanity is demeaned. ... Understanding and wisdom are the fruit of a contemplative eye upon the world, and do not come from a mere accumulation of facts, no matter how interesting.
Pope John Paul II, 2002

Posted By: wwh Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 05:56 PM
Dear Keiva: None of us would enjoy a proselytizing didactic haranging ranting Internet. I despise much of the content, but I can chose what I think if worthwhile. I wish I could think of a way to abolish the porn, but can't see satisfactory way of doing so. Viewers just have to decide whether to join the pigs or the scholars.

Posted By: Keiva Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 06:09 PM
I must admit that your point is not entirely clear to me, dr. bill.

Edit, after PM's with dr. bill: I take the words as an encouraging reminder (not a religious command) to join the scholars and avoid the pigs.

Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 06:19 PM

"Shoot for the moon if ya do hit a potato."

-- My grandpa. No idea if he made it up or heard it from his'n or Billy Sunday.

k


Posted By: of troy Re: Gentle words - 02/06/02 11:04 PM
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself."
-- Leo Tolstoy

Thank you Maveric, for this thread, and for this link- enjoy might browsing too:

http://www.quoteproject.com/subject.asp?subject=95



Posted By: doc_comfort Re: Gentle words - 02/07/02 05:01 AM
It is not enough to do good; one must do it in the right way. (John Viscount Morley)

I think I've found my maxim (or whatever the word I'm looking for actually is).

Posted By: hev Re: Gentle words - 02/07/02 05:13 AM
It is not enough to do good; one must do it in the right way. (John Viscount Morley)

I think I've found my maxim (or whatever the word I'm looking for actually is).

Well, I think you could use motto but maxim is a nicer word. And I like that maxim. Can I use it too?

From one Aussie to another, Hello! For all you foreigners out there, this is another method of greeting each other down under, in addition to the stereotypical "G'day".

Hev

"no longer a stranger..."
Posted By: Keiva Re: Gentle words - 02/07/02 12:16 PM
I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.
Neville Chamberlain

Posted By: wow Re: Gentle words - maxims/mottos - 02/07/02 03:30 PM
Speaking of maxims/mottos : Here's the motto of the Salem Register a newspaper in Salem, Massachusetts, written in "W.W. Story, Life and Letters of Joseph Story" (1851)

Here shall the Press the People's right maintain,
Unaw'd by influence and unbrib'd by gain;
Here patriot Truth her glorious precept draw,
Pleg'd to Religion, Liberty and Law.

My Dad believed in it and quoted it to me and I tried to live up to it during my years in newspapers.
Posted By: wwh Re: Famous last words - 02/07/02 03:40 PM
I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.
Neville Chamberlain

Pax Hitleriana



Posted By: RumShotGiles Re: Famous last words - 02/07/02 03:55 PM
Pax Hitleriana

Who invited Hitler in here? I didn't see him referenced in any article.

Posted By: wwh Re: Famous last words - 02/07/02 04:22 PM
Dear AnnaStrophic: Asshole Chamberlin invited Hitler in, and we all paid a terrible price for it.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: pax hiteriana - 02/07/02 04:23 PM
what's all this then?! a blatant attempt to prematurely invoke Godwin's Law?
http://www.godwinslaw.com/

[overheard over the cubicle wall]
"The man is not wholly evil -- he has a Thesaurus in his bay"

Posted By: wwh Re: pax hitleriana - 02/07/02 04:41 PM
Dear tsuwm: Nice counter. But I claim special provocation, apparent praise of Chamberlin.

Posted By: Keiva Re: Chamberlain's umbella - 02/07/02 04:45 PM
That was not praise, dr. bill. That was a subtle way of pointing out that generalities, however high-sounding, can be foolish when applied to particular cases.

Or alternatively, that foolish actions in particular cases can be whitewashed with glittering generalities.

The adage expressing this, I believe, is, "The Devil can cite Scripture for his own purposes."

Posted By: maverick Re: Keiva's unbella - 02/07/02 04:53 PM
Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
GK Chesterton



Posted By: Keiva Re: keiva's umbrella - 02/07/02 05:02 PM
When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
maverick

Circumstances alter cases.
Thomas Chandler Haliburton; but also proverbial

Posted By: Faldage Re: Famous last words - 02/07/02 05:11 PM
Dear AnnaStrophic

Gotta get up pretty early in the afternoon to pull Dr. Bill's wool over the ice.

Oh, wait, it *is pretty early in the afternoon.

Posted By: of troy Re: Chamberlain's umbella - 02/07/02 05:36 PM
Once, when my son was in kindergarten, during a special presentation in the auditorium, the children got loud and boisterous.

the teacher, Mrs. Kelly, called for the to be quiet.
the noise continued, unabated.. twice more, she called for quiet.

Then she clapped her hands, sharply-- and made a loud cracking noise..all eyes now turn and looked to Mrs.Kelly. she looked sternly at the assembled childen, and now, commanding their attention, sternly advised the to settle down, and stop talking!

Later in the day, i met a mother of another student. She was up set, because her daughter had reported to her, that Mrs Kelly had yelled at her in the auditorium. she asked me if i had seen it, since her daughter said Mrs Kelly did it infront of everyone.

I explained what i had seen, and added, both my son and her daughter were among the children who were talking and misbehaving.

She thought for moment, and commented-- Ah, Jodie thought she was personally being repremanded, because she was one of the misbehaving children. Jodie took the general admonishment personally. she was no longer upset with Mrs. Kelly.

This collection of gentle words was just that.. until some people started to take it personally.. now it is on its way to being an other ugly mess. please stop.

Posted By: wwh Re: Famous last words - 02/07/02 05:38 PM
Non sequiturs within non sequiturs.

Posted By: Dickens Re: Chamberlain's umbrella - 02/07/02 06:22 PM
"Circumstances alter cases."
--me

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Chamberlin - 02/07/02 06:55 PM
Dr Bill, I'm pleased that you thought of me, but I haven't commented in this thread. In fact, I have about 500 posts to catch up on and a real-life deadline to meet before I can return to any kind of posting regularity.

But, as long as I'm here: "We have met the enemy and he is us."
--Walt Kelly

Posted By: Keiva Re: Helen's unbella - 02/07/02 06:58 PM
Mav! I just realized that you paid me a lovely compliment with your title Keiva's unbella. But I hereby redirect the compliment to dear Helen. un bella, italian = a beautiful one

Posted By: Faldage Re: Helen's unbella - 02/07/02 07:03 PM
unbella

With a healthy dose of gender confusion to boot. Portobella mushrooms, anyone?

Or mebbe negation, as in unbeautiful

Posted By: of troy Re: Helen's unbella - 02/07/02 07:06 PM
thank alot faldage.. you know i don't have to hang around here to be insulted..
i can garner all the insults i want any time i want, closer to home!

Posted By: Faldage Re: Helen's unbella - 02/07/02 07:18 PM
hang around here to be insulted.

I did not comment, I merely reported.

Posted By: Keiva Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 07:31 PM
Portobella mushrooms
According to bartelby, I believe they are either
portabella or
portobello, but not
portobella -- a nit picked solely for purposes of the next post.


Posted By: Keiva Re: Helen's unbella - 02/07/02 07:35 PM
portabella mushrooms

You know I don't have to hang around here to be insulted

Stick around, mia bella Helen, and we shall make a little mush room for ourselves ... [closing the porta ... ]
[http://www.bartleby.com/61/34/M0493400.html; definition 3]


Posted By: wwh Re: Humble apology - 02/07/02 07:41 PM
Dear Faldage, and AnnaStrophic: My blurry vision has screwed me again. I can't even blame it on being intoxicated with Rum Shots. I despise the stuff. I remember a lab tech that used to hang her pectoral perfections on my shoulders when I was teaching her to read slides. I put a fifth of rum into her ,and a quart of Coke into me and she was still saying No.All those Cuba Libres to no avail. So I am the King of Non Sequiturs. I am filing an Abdication Application. Befogged Chagrined Benighted Bill

Posted By: of troy Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 07:43 PM
so following that,
it would be unobello (or is it unbello?)
or unabella(what about annabella?-- i thought that name meant beautiful lady)

or did you intend to call me a a man (who is a)beautiful (woman)? in which case you are wrong! i might not be a beauty, but i am all female!
i thought this was gentle words, not a thread about Chicks with D***s!

Posted By: Faldage Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 07:44 PM
portobella -- a nit picked solely for purposes of the next post.

Duh!

un bella

Posted By: Keiva Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 07:55 PM
Well faldage, I admittedly had conflicting priorities here. But why let grammatical precision take precedence over thanking mav for a compliment, and making a compliment to a dear lady?

Venuta qui, cara mia...[too busy to continue the discussion further -e ]



Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 08:08 PM
Yer, I prefer cheap, myself, loike.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Portobella mushrooms - 02/07/02 08:13 PM
why let grammatical precision take precedence over thanking mav for a compliment

Or why interpret something as an insult when it can just as easily be interpreted as a compliment?

Posted By: wwh Re: Portxbellx mushrooms - 02/07/02 08:23 PM
The mushroom peddlers use all four combinations.

Posted By: hev Re: Not mush room here - 02/07/02 11:19 PM
Yer, I prefer cheap, myself, loike.

And I prefer not to consume anything which is known as a fungus ... er yuck!

Hev

"no longer a stranger..."
Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: one too many -ellas! - 02/08/02 01:56 AM
or unabella(what about annabella?-- i thought that name meant beautiful lady)

A "few" years back I was doing the lead in the children's version of "Androcles and the Lion." The lovely Princess is named Isabella. So there's a line in the show that I always hated, but to this day it sticks in my head and haunts me, to be blurped out at odd times. This is one of them. Here's my line to her as Androcles:

Lovely, lovely Isabella,
I stand outside with no umbrella!


Every rehearsal I'd look at the director in incredulity and ask, "Do I really have to say that?" [Yes, you do!] "No chance of cutting it, huh?" [Nope, 'fraid not!] "Thank you."

Thanks, Helen (my lovely unabella! ) for remindin' me of that!


Posted By: Keiva Re: Gentle words - 02/12/02 07:47 PM
In honor of Abraham Lincoln's birthday today:

With malice toward none; with charity for all; ... let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds, ... —to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves ...
-- Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address. March 4, 1865.

Posted By: wow Re: Gentle words - 02/13/02 02:36 PM
A few words in that address "to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, are seen in the Veterans Administration seal at the entrance to may VA hospitals.