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Posted By: plutarch Omegatist - 10/20/01 05:19 PM
In a post recently, someone said they wanted to get in "the last word" as the thread became knotted with rejoinders. We all know people (contrary to popular belief, not only men) who absolutely MUST have "the last word" on every subject. It's a compulsion. There must be a word to describe these people. Does anyone know what it is? We are indebted to them here on AWADtalk because they are the life support system for many otherwise terminal threads. In the event that no-one can find a word which describes a person having a compulsive need to register "the last word" on every subject, I am proposing the word "Omegatist".

Posted By: musick Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 05:28 PM
...otherwise terminal threads.

How about "dead horse beater". I actually® have a better one, but not for all the *virgin ears around here...

OK, I'll save the word *coinage for someone else, but I'd be happy to "set" it to music for us.

Posted By: wwh Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 06:58 PM
Dear Plutarch: Indeed there is a need for the word. We all have met more than one guy to whom it would apply, the kind of guy who would die of frustration on a visit to Echo Canyon. Your " omegatist" has "egotist" in it, which I like. The only problem is that the targets don't know "omega" is last letter in Greek alphabet. Just to show I tried, I thought of "ultimatist" but isn't as good as yours.

While looking in Internet for ideas, I ran across this put-down:

http://www.abc.net.au/classic/breakfast/months/CFM_bfast_June2001.htm

Sconser

A person who looks around
when talking to you, to see if
there's anyone more interesting
about.


Posted By: plutarch Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 07:24 PM
Sconser
A person who looks around
when talking to you, to see if
there's anyone more interesting
about.

Yes, wwh. I have been "sconsed" a few times myself ... usually when I am doing my own "sconsing". Would you call this a "double sconse"? Have you noticed that "sconsors" are usually too busy "sconsing" to know that they are being being "sconsed"? BTW if a "target" doesn't know he's been targeted, at least initially, that's not such a bad thing. The best terms of derision are like those "bunker busters" they are using in Afghanistan. They squirrel their way in before they explode.


Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 09:24 PM
Speaking of solecisms, what do you call the practice of picking imaginary lint off the shoulder of a vicitim's suit in feigned concern for his appearance?

Posted By: wwh Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 09:54 PM
Dear Wordminstrel: I had a teacher who used to pick lint off us boys. So I took a spool of thread, passed end through eye of needle, passed needle through inside of breast pocket up to shoulder of my coat with the spool in breast pocket. Just as I knew she would, she picked up thread and pulled out a yard of thread. She nearly fainted, expecting to see my suit coal fall apart.

Posted By: plutarch Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 10:12 PM
I had a teacher who used to pick lint off us boys. So I took a spool of thread ..... Just as I knew she would, she picked up thread and pulled out a yard of thread. She nearly fainted, expecting to see my suit coal fall apart.
Get outta here! You did that! Genius. Pure Genius, wwh. Who can top this school boy prank? Anyone want to try? BTW, you've been known to needle some of those same threads here in AWADtalk .


Posted By: Anonymous Re: omegatism - 10/20/01 10:51 PM
From a circa-1970's issue of Reader's Digest, Quotable Quotes (I remember this because my mom had it taped to the inside of the pantry door for a decade or two):

If you really want the last word in an argument, try saying "I guess you're right"

and guess what... it works! =)

and in reckless deviation from the subject at hand, i might as well share the quote which she had taped below that one, only because i think it's so wise (and could potentionally be put to use here in AWADtalk, in these volatile times):

"Never answer an angry word with an angry word... It's the second one that makes the quarrel"
Posted By: wwh Re: Omegatist - 10/20/01 11:03 PM
Dear Plutarch: in the annals of AWADtalk, I have been patsy more often than perpetrator.

Posted By: consuelo Schoolgirl gets one over on teacher - 10/20/01 11:10 PM
In the eighth grade, I had an English teacher(she was also my Home Ec teacher) who was so old and burnt out and boring, I would conceal a book in my lap and read for the full hour. One day, thinking to expose me for reading in class, she asked the question first and then called on me by name. Well, something intuitively alerted me and I was listening with 1 1/2 ears when she asked the question. I merely looked up from my book, answered the question correctly, and resumed reading. She never tried a stunt like that again and I was allowed to read at will. I also aced the class.

Posted By: of troy another one doesn't - 10/20/01 11:20 PM
Lucky you! i tried the same in geometry.. i got called on to provide the area of a regular polygon.. and i looked up from i remember this well, i had just gotten permission that very day to read it, and was hell bent on reading non-stopValley of the Dolls, and had the answer in seconds.

the teacher was red faced with anger. he thought he was going to catch me out.. I ended up with a 90 on the regents (hot shot NY State-wide test) but he gave me a 75 as final grade.

Posted By: moss Patsy or Prankster - 10/20/01 11:23 PM
in the annals of AWADtalk, I have been patsy more often than perpetrator.
I find that hard to believe, wwh. P.S. What do we call these lint pickers anyway? Some, like your teacher, collect lint balls, I suspect. But most pick away at imaginary lint in some sort of grooming ritual calculated to make the groomee more submissive.



Posted By: wwh Re: omegatism - 10/20/01 11:32 PM
Dear gymkhana: And I would rather lose an argument than lose a friend or make an enemy.

Posted By: wwh Re: omegatism - 10/20/01 11:44 PM
Dear moss: That teacher who picked lint always made it clear that it was a bit of affection, that she liked us, and I am now ashamed of having played the joke on her. I bitterly regret that I never found the occasion, nor made the necessary effort to thank the many teachers to whom I owed so much.

Posted By: of troy Re: Patsy or Prankster - 10/20/01 11:48 PM
But most pick away at imaginary lint in some sort of grooming ritual calculated to make the groomee more submissive.


Oh, i don't know, it could be done as an opening gambit. a way of initiating touch with some one you like..
oh, excuse me, Mr. X, you have some lint, let me remove it...


Posted By: plutarch Re: omegatism - 10/21/01 12:06 AM
I bitterly regret that I never found the occasion, nor made the necessary effort to thank the many teachers to whom I owed so much.
You're making up for it, wwm. You are an example for others to follow. Myself included.

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Omegatist - 10/21/01 12:58 AM
I have been "sconsed" a few times myself ... usually when I am doing my own "sconsing". Would you call this a "double sconse"?
Order me a double scotch.

Posted By: paulb Re: holding the snowball - 10/21/01 11:42 AM
Hi, gk: Back in the days when I was a 'trainer', there was a concept used in Conflict Management courses called 'holding the snowball'.

Posted By: NicholasW Sconser - 10/21/01 12:22 PM
Woah! Bad, naughty Guy Noble, lighting our sconser-shaped beacon but not telling the audience where it comes from.

'Sconser' is this sense was created by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd for their fount of new words, The Meaning of Liff. Before that it had been wasting its time being a British place-name.

The website quoting it is of ABC-FM (or ABC Classic FM as they now call it), Australia's equivalent of BBC Radio 3. The morning announcer, Guy Noble, is a pleasant and humorous chap (not unlike Humphrey Carpenter in a way, if you know him), who each morning reads out a peculiar word sent in by listeners. On Friday he combines them in a sentence.

Posted By: Bingley Re: holding the snowball - 10/22/01 03:34 AM
How did I get the idea that a sconce was a drinking vessel of some kind used for toasts?

Bingley
Posted By: maverick Re: holding the snowball - 10/22/01 11:26 AM
ooh, I had not realised that sconce with a c comes in two flavo(u)rs, that make them incognate - tsuwm Has A Word For That

Posted By: plutarch "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 08:17 PM
The only problem is that the targets don't know "omega" is last letter in Greek alphabet.
I consulted a dictionary for all the meanings of "Omega", wwh. The primary meaning is the one you have indicated. But another meaning is: "the last of a series, the end". (Ref. Random House Webster's Unabridged, 2001). The last post on a thread is certainly "the last of a series", wwh. If MY post becomes the LAST post on this subject ("Omegatist"), will I then become the author of my own rebuke? A fitting end, perhaps.


Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 10:14 PM
Oh no, you don't, Plutarch! I'm a bigger omegatist than u are!!!!

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 10:19 PM
You are not!

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 10:23 PM
I am too!!!!

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 10:27 PM
Look, Wordminstrel. Why don't you go away and start your own thread. No-one's reading this thread anyway.

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/22/01 10:53 PM
Posted By: Keiva Re: "The last of a series" - 10/22/01 11:42 PM
and the fourth commentator is the delteolgist?

Posted By: consuelo Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 12:58 AM
I'm reading this thread. I am also known as "Consuelo, the giant thread killer" Seven with one post! So, watch it youse guys.

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 12:59 AM
Now see what you've done, Wordminstrel! No-one was interested in having "the last word" until you showed up and now everyone's trying to get in on the act. Are you happy now?

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 01:03 AM
Are you happy now?
Are you happy, Plutarch?


Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 01:06 AM
Are you happy, Plutarch?
No!



Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/23/01 01:07 AM
Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 01:09 AM
No!
Then I'm happy!


Posted By: Keiva Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 01:13 AM
Dub-dub: alpha, beta, gamma, delta, ...
plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose ...

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 01:17 AM
There, I knew it! You're not a genuine omegatist, Wordminstrel. You're more interested in depriving me of the last word than having the last word for yourself. This is just a control issue for you, Wordminstrel. That makes you an omegatrix, or maybe an omegarchist, but you are certainly NOT an omegatrist.

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/23/01 01:25 AM
Posted By: Keiva Re: Deltiologist - 10/23/01 02:05 AM
Apologies, WW. I misspelled what should have been "deltiologist", which matches rather nicely with your "philatelist".
http://www.islandnet.com/~egbird/dict/d.htm

Posted By: tsuwm Deltiology - 10/23/01 04:45 AM
Having a great time. Wish you were here.

xoxox

-joe bfstplk

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Omegatist - 10/23/01 04:48 AM
omega - 2. transf. a. The last of a series; the last word; the end or final development.

{color added}

Posted By: Bingley Re: Delteologist - 10/23/01 05:27 AM
In reply to:

And, come to think of it, why are deltas called deltas in the first place? The mud seems to slide out on three, not four sides. Why aren't they called "gammas"?


The original river delta was the Nile delta, which, especially if viewed from Max's orientation, looks like the Greek letter.

Bingley

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:03 AM
You're more interested in depriving me of the last word than having the last word for yourself.
Hmmmm. I can see there is more to this compulsion than meets the eye.

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:11 AM
I'll tell you what, Wordminstrel. If I can come up with a grander title for your affliction, will you leave me alone? You can become an Alphatar and blaze a new trail on your own thread.

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:16 AM
Alphatar [thinking about it]. So what's my new diagnosis, Plutarch?

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:28 AM
You are suffering from omegamania, Wordminstrel. That makes you an omegamaniac. You are a giant amongst omega pygmies.

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:33 AM
omegamaniac!

Posted By: plutarch Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:35 AM
Does that mean you will go away and leave "the last word" to me?

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 08:38 AM
Does that mean you will go away and leave "the last word" to me?
What do you think.



Posted By: Keiva Re: "The last of a series" - 10/23/01 09:42 AM
Hey, you two! Get a room!

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/23/01 09:54 AM
Posted By: of troy why stop now? we are no where near 100 - 10/23/01 12:55 PM
I wish I could find the quote where Emily says...

by Emily you mean Emily Dickenson? or my daughter.. (she has a tee shirt that labels her "Queen of the F***ing Universe..and who knows she might be right..) or some other emily?

Posted By: Faldage Re: holding the sconce - 10/23/01 02:03 PM
Bingley wonders How he got the idea that a sconce was a drinking vessel of some kind used for toasts?

Beats me. I allus thought it was a wall mounted candle holder.

Posted By: Faldage The last word - 10/23/01 02:06 PM
Zyzzyva. YCLIU

Posted By: tsuwm another last word - 10/23/01 03:31 PM

FINE

Posted By: Faldage Re: FINE - 10/23/01 03:34 PM
soşlice

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: another last word - 10/24/01 02:01 AM
FINE
FIN




Posted By: rodward Re: holding the snowball - 10/24/01 10:53 AM
How did I get the idea that a sconce was a drinking vessel of some kind used for toasts?
Because ...
from a website with information on Oxford University:
During the meal, a student may be 'sconced' by another student over some point of honour. The challenged must stand on the bench and drink a yard of ale in one go. Having succeeded, he may immediately return the 'sconce' if he wishes. These days, rugby and rowing dinners are more often the excuse for multiple sconcing!



Posted By: Faldage Semper - 10/24/01 02:16 PM
FINE
FIN
FI

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Semper - 10/24/01 03:36 PM
FINE
FIN
FI

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Posted By: tsuwm the blue bus - 10/24/01 03:59 PM
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes, again...

-Jim Morrison (The Doors)

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: the blue bus - 10/24/01 04:49 PM
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes, again...

I feel like I'm being omegulated!


Posted By: plutarch Re: the blue bus - 10/24/01 04:56 PM
I feel like I'm being omegulated!
You're just getting what you deserve, Wordminstrel.



Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/24/01 05:05 PM
Posted By: wwh Re: Jim Morrison...and beyond, apparently - 10/24/01 05:20 PM
Colophon?

Posted By: AnnaStrophic This sure as hell was a waste of time - 10/24/01 05:54 PM
To reiterate and expand on Keiva's suggestion:

Get a chat room.

This is a bulletin board.

Posted By: wwh Re: This sure as hell was a waste of time - 10/24/01 06:02 PM
The venomous ASp bites again.

Posted By: wordminstrel the VERY end - 10/24/01 07:25 PM
the Doors would have been a good end
Agreed.
This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes, again...

-Jim Morrison (The Doors)


Posted By: plutarch Re: This sure as hell was a waste of time - 10/24/01 07:59 PM
This sure as hell was a waste of time
Dear AnaStrophic. I agree with you. I have been doing my best to discourage these people. But they won't go away. Sometimes it is easier to start something than to stop it. Why don't we just ignore them? If no-one comes back, no-one will know if anyone had "the last word".

Posted By: wwh Re: This sure as hell was a waste of time - 10/24/01 08:02 PM
Dear plutarch: I enjoy your type of discouragement. Please amplify.

Posted By: Keiva Re: Jim Morrison, again - 10/24/01 08:25 PM
tsuwm quoted the final song of the Door's first album. Equally applicable is the equivalent in their second:

The music's over.
Turn out the lights.

Posted By: wwh Re: Jim Morrison, again - 10/24/01 08:33 PM
The song is over, but the malady lingers on.

I enjoy your type of discouragement. Please amplify.
Its very difficult to discourage an omegatist, wwh. I'm not saying its impossible. Its just very difficult.




Posted By: plutarch Re: omegatist - 10/24/01 08:53 PM
The song is over, but the malady lingers on.
Dear wwh: I can't amplify on that definition. Perhaps we are not so "indebted" to these omegatists after all.




Posted By: tsuwm Re: holding the snowball - 10/24/01 08:56 PM
In reply to:

ooh, I had not realised that sconce with a c comes in two flavo(u)rs, that make them incognate - tsuwm Has A Word For That


sorry, mav. I seem to have *overlooked this one. cleave/cleave and sconce/sconce are pairs of homonyms (and homophones).

Posted By: Keiva Re: logorrhea - 10/24/01 08:57 PM
74 prior posts in this thread
30 by wordminstrel and plutarch (15 each)
i.e., 40% of the posts.

Take a hint, folks. Take any of several hints. You're evenly balanced; knock it off. You're spamming us.

(Post-edit: embarassing mis-statement of names corrected; thanks, dr. bill!)
Posted By: wwh Re: logorrhea - 10/24/01 09:29 PM
"30 by wordsmith and plutarch (15 each)"
Dear Keiva: When WORDSMITH comes down from Olympus to post
that will be cause for celebration, not caustic comment.

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/25/01 12:13 PM
Posted By: wwh Re: Cleaving to or cleaving this thread - 10/25/01 02:08 PM
The Greeks had a word for it:Clotho, Lachesis & Atropos, the Fates.. Clotho is a spinner, Lacheis a weaver, and Atropos the one who cuts the cloth.

Call for Atropos to cut the thread.

Fates, in Greek mythology, the three goddesses who determined human life and destiny. Known as Moirai in Greek and Parcae in Latin, the Fates apportioned to each person at birth a share of good and evil, although one might increase the evil by one's own folly. Portrayed in art and poetry as stern old women or as somber maidens, the goddesses were often thought of as weavers. Clotho, the Spinner, spun the thread of life; Lachesis, the Dispenser of Lots, decided its span and assigned a destiny to each person; and Atropos, the Inexorable, carried the dread shears that cut the thread of life at the appointed time. The decisions of the Fates could not be altered, even by the gods.



"Fates," Microsoft(R) Encarta(R) 98 Encyclopedia. (c) 1993-1997 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Posted By: milum Beware of Greeks Cutting Threads. - 10/25/01 07:13 PM
Dear Plutarch, You and me are clever people and clever people sometimes find associations where none exist...(mmm, what did I just say?)...anyway,yes,I am referring to your previous posts concerning "blovian" matters but those are not the case in this point, instead I ask...

(a) Don't you think there are already too many hurtfull words in our world without creating new ones?
(b) Just because you posed the opening question of this discussion you don't want to be called a "queryist" do you?
(c) Think about it, you don't want the sparse threads of this fine board to dangle endlessly without denoucement, do you?
(d) Can't we all just get along?

The answers to the questions above are yes,no,no,yes.
Ah Plutarch, I like to think that these wordthreads should be constructed as a programatic symphony by Richard Strauss- The Queryer introduces the theme by asking eternal questions of times and men. Then the Middling Folk bicker and snipe away at the hero and generally vary the theme without regard to propriety. Then comes the Closer, the Death Angel, the omegatist, who intergrates all themes into a wonderful soul-cleansing conclusion.

Yes Plutarch, we owe so much to these brilliant, hard-working, long-suffering fellow human beings who provide the "Last Word" to us slackers.

And now, since everything has been said that could be said, I would like to say Thank You from the bottom of my heart for you wonderful people for giving me, Milum, the last word.

[Warning] The curse of Calais will befall the writer of any post that appears benieght this post.XXX

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Beware of Greeks Cutting Threads. - 10/25/01 07:39 PM
even under the durance of the "curse of Calais" (what the feck is that??), I cannot let these dangling threads and golden needles stand.

You and me are clever people

not as clever as us might wish.

(b) Just because you posed the opening question of this discussion you don't want to be called a "queryist" do you?
(c) Think about it, you don't want the sparse threads of this fine board to dangle endlessly without denoucement, do you?


your answers to these [no,no] could be perceived as presumptuous, but this is probably mitigated by inclusion of the nonce-word "denoucement".

everything has been said that could be said

this, really, begs the question.

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/25/01 08:20 PM
Posted By: wwh Re: Beware of Greeks Cutting Threads. - 10/25/01 08:38 PM
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Let the curse of Calais fall where it may!

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Beware of Greeks Cutting Threads. - 10/26/01 04:04 AM
In reply to:

I followed you well till you hit begs the question....

Begs the question? Or: Raises the question.


this has been much discussed here in the past (ycliu);
suffice it to say: to beg the question = to take for
granted the matter in dispute, to assume without proof

Posted By: Wordwind Post deleted by Wordwind - 10/26/01 12:17 PM
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: omegatism - 11/03/01 01:56 PM
If you really want the last word in an argument, try saying "I guess you're right"

and guess what... it works! =)



Not always. I know plenty of people who won't take "yes" for an answer...

Posted By: Jackie Re: omegatism - 11/03/01 05:53 PM
Yes?

Posted By: wwh Re: omegatism - 11/03/01 06:42 PM
We have a surplus of omegatists, and a regrettable dearth of alphatists, who start posts the rest of us can reply to.

Posted By: musick Re: Beware of Geeks... - 11/03/01 08:27 PM
I'm a geek...

Elvis has left the building. Thank you and good night!

Posted By: wwh Re: Beware of Geeks... - 11/03/01 10:44 PM
Elvis the Pelvis is gyrating somewhere to the screams of grisly groupies.

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: Beware of Geeks... - 11/04/01 09:21 AM
Nonsense. He's alive and well and living in obscurity in Juliet, GA. I've seen him! Or at least, a picture of him ...

Posted By: consuelo Re: Beware of Geeks... - 11/05/01 09:04 PM
Now wait one minute. Elvis lives in Kalamazoo. I know. Every day he comes in the downtown Walgreens and buys 4 Little Debbie Honey buns and a quart of OJ because "You gotta eat healthy, man."

Posted By: plutarch Re: omegatism - 11/07/01 02:02 AM
We have a surplus of omegatists, and a regrettable dearth of alphatists, who start posts the rest of us can reply to.
Perhaps this is because the last wack at a driven nail is less risky than the first one, wwh. One wack too many only dents the board, unfortunate for the board and those who may appreciate the beauty of its grain, but a matter of no consequence to the heavy-handed pounder. On the other hand, the first wack at a nail calls for skill and some daring. If the hit is misguided, it is one's own thumb which suffers, not the board. Omegatists ruin a lot of good boards, wwh.






Posted By: wwh Re: omegatism - 11/07/01 02:37 AM
Old threads don't die, they just fade away.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: - 11/07/01 03:08 AM
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Posted By: tsuwm Re: omegatism - 11/07/01 04:08 PM
The Last Word
Matthew Arnold


Creep into thy narrow bed,
Creep, and let no more be said!
Vain thy onset! all stands fast.
Thou thyself must break at last.

Let the long contention cease!
Geese are swans, and swans are geese.
Let them have it how they will!
Thou art tired: best be still.

They out-talked thee, hissed thee, tore thee?
Better men fared thus before thee;
Fired their ringing shot and passed,
Hotly charged - and sank at last.

Charge once more, then, and be dumb!
Let the victors, when they come,
When the forts of folly fall,
Find thy body by the wall!

Posted By: plutarch Thread Bare - 11/08/01 02:54 AM
Old threads don't die, they just fade away.
Old threads don't die, wwh, they become thread bare. Sometimes, they get old before their time, in which case they are thread barren.

Posted By: consuelo Can anybody play this game? - 11/08/01 03:05 AM
The Last Word
Matthew Arnold


Creep into thy narrow bed,
Creep, and let no more be said!
Vain thy onset! all stands fast.
Thou thyself must break at last.

Let the long contention cease!
Geese are swans, and swans are geese.
Let them have it how they will!
Thou art tired: best be still.

They out-talked thee, hissed thee, tore thee?
Better men fared thus before thee;
Fired their ringing shot and passed,
Hotly charged - and sank at last.

Charge once more, then, and be dumb!
Let the victors, when they come,
When the forts of folly fall,
Find thy body by the wall!


Alas! Poor Plutarch!














Posted By: Faldage Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 01:39 PM
they get old before their time

Case in point.

Posted By: wwh Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 02:02 PM
And what used to be darned, is now damned.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 02:25 PM
okay, that's it! this has gone to a second (2nd) page, and I, for one, am not going to open it any more.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 02:36 PM
what used to be darned, is now damned

Aut pax aut bellum aut macula damnata

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Needle and Thread... - 11/08/01 02:39 PM
But, tsuwm, if you go away, we'll have one less wise one to needle us!!!

WW (warp and woof)

Posted By: plutarch Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 03:30 PM
okay, that's it! this has gone to a second (2nd) page, and I, for one, am not going to open it any more.
morituri te salutamus I for one will miss u if you go, tsuwm. Your poetry selections are absolutely inspired.



Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 03:43 PM
I for one will miss u if you go, tsuwm.
Shame on you, Plutarch. You're just flattering tsuwm because he won't be around to read it.

Posted By: plutarch Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 03:47 PM
You're just flattering tsuwm because he won't be around to read it.
One should never speak ill of the departed.



Posted By: plutarch Depth Charge - 11/08/01 04:03 PM
And what used to be darned, is now damned.
Darn the torpedoes. That was a depth charge, wwh. It took a while to sink in. You are a master of rhetorical ordinance. How many "wise men" can dance on the head of a needle, anyway?




Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Depth Charge - 11/08/01 04:09 PM
How many "wise men" can dance on the head of a needle, anyway?
One fewer now that tsuwm is gone.





Posted By: plutarch Re: Depth Charge - 11/08/01 04:15 PM
One fewer now that tsuwm is gone.
Do you suppose he will peek?




Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Depth Charge - 11/08/01 04:17 PM
Do you suppose he will peek?
We are waiting with baited breath.



Posted By: wwh Re: Depth Charge - 11/08/01 04:18 PM
Gone, but not forgotten. Wanna bet he lurks?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Needle and Thread... - 11/08/01 04:20 PM
we'll have one less wise one

That's OK, Dub Dub'. You'll still have a Fool.

And might I say it's nice to have Dr. Jeckyll and Igor back from his all too short hiatus.

Posted By: wwh Re: Needle and Thread... - 11/08/01 04:25 PM
we'll have one less wise one

We have many less wise ones.

Posted By: plutarch In Tsuwmiam - 11/08/01 04:34 PM
In Tsuwmiam [I hope he would approve]
Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[Fade to black]
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.




Posted By: wwh Re: In Tsuwmiam - 11/08/01 04:46 PM
Dear plutarch: I am close to the adventure you mention, which will assuage, not provoke rage.

Posted By: of troy Re: In Tsuwmiam - 11/08/01 04:48 PM
Okay, back when this thread as at 50, and people were fighting of who would be last, i encourged us to go on... after all, we were only half way to 100 (and since i have my preference set to 99-- it has just now gone to page 2-- but now that it has, i am with tsuwm. I might not get the last word in this post.. (alas i have else where!) but this will be my last word here!

have fun you guys!

Posted By: wwh Re: In Tsuwmiam - 11/08/01 05:23 PM
Just to tease:
Cross-patch,
Draw the latch.
Sit by the fire and spin.
Take a cup, and drink it up
Then call the neighbors in.

Posted By: Faldage Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 05:55 PM
never speak ill of the departed

And when they come back?

Posted By: Faldage Riddle of the Week - 11/08/01 05:57 PM
Which one's the ventriloquist and which one's the dummy?

Posted By: wwh Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 05:58 PM
Nihil nisi bonum.....Where in hell have you been?

Posted By: wwh Re: Depth Charge - 11/08/01 06:07 PM
Do you suppose he will peek?
We are waiting with baited breath.

Dear Wordminstrel: Forgive me for just noticing that you are back again, an occasion for rejoicing.

Forgive me also for teasing you, by asking with what you bait your breath? Besides an alluring smile?

Posted By: plutarch Re: Thread Bare - 11/08/01 09:27 PM
never speak ill of the departed And when they come back?
Never speak ill at all, Faldage. We're just here for the fun of it. One tries to defend oneself when one is pilloried in a public posting, that is to be expected surely. There are gentler ways to dissuade than to disparage, don't you think? In any case, I miss tsuwm's poetic interventions. Tsuwm, Tsuwm, forgive poor Plutarch. Poor, imperfect Plutarch. Pluperfect Plutarch.






Posted By: wordminstrel Baited Breath - 11/08/01 09:43 PM
Forgive me also for teasing you, by asking with what you bait your breath?
Colgate with bromide.

Posted By: wwh Re: Baited Breath - 11/08/01 11:49 PM
Dear Wordminstrel: On a Colgate University site, I found this: Seaweeds use vanadium bromoperoxidase, in the oxidation of bromide, as a defense mechanism against predators.

How much seaweed do you have to eat?

I went back and was not able to find out what value bromide would have associated with a toothpaste.
I found a site about aphthrous stomatitis, but the author was a real kook. I was involved in early dental fluoride programs fifty years ago. Sadly the same crowd of nuts that were against it then have been reincarnated and still using the same stupid sick arguments Let's not have a thread about that!.

Posted By: milum Re: Omegatist - 11/09/01 02:47 AM
I, like Tsuwm, choose to announce my intent to never post on this thread again. Furthermore I would like to urge all other members of good breeding to do the same. Let us each post on this thread our pledge never to post on this thread ever again. Unless, of course, someone posts something really stupid or some smart ass posts something just to have the last word.
Milum.

Posted By: jmh Re: Omegatist - 11/09/01 08:17 AM
A link, a link, I do like a link!

You hum it I'll play it http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/belvedere/226/carnival.htm

I've just noticed this thread, so I decided to post to say that I will not post here. You are quite right, it is too long, far too long , far too ..., far ...

Posted By: Wordwind Re: Omegatist - 11/09/01 01:32 PM
Furthermore I would like to urge all other members of good breeding to do the same. ...
Milum...

And what about members of poor breeding?

Posted By: wordminstrel Re: Baited Breath - 11/09/01 01:49 PM
Seaweeds use vanadium bromoperoxidase, in the oxidation of bromide, as a defense mechanism against predators.
Your pith is only surpassed by your substance, wwh. Actually, I was thinking of methyl bromide.
To wit (from Google):
Methyl Bromide Challenge
There is no known single alternative fumigant, chemical, or other technology that can readily substitute for methyl bromide in efficacy, low cost, ease of use, wide availability, worker safety, and environmental safety below the ozone layer. Research by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) indicates that multiple alternative control measures will be required to replace the many essential uses of methyl bromide.


Posted By: wwh Re: Omegatist - 11/09/01 01:51 PM
"What, never? No, never. What, Never? Well, hardly ever."

Dear Wordminstrel: Baiting your breath with methyl chloride could swiftly abate your breathing.
Posted By: wordminstrel Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 01:56 PM
I, like Tsuwm, choose to announce my intent to never post on this thread again. Furthermore I would like to urge all other members of good breeding to do the same.
You should have turned the other cheek, Plutarch.

Posted By: wwh Re: Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 02:01 PM
Does anyone remember the name for the rhetorical device for saying what you are not going to say?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 02:04 PM
Does anyone remember the name for the rhetorical device for saying what you are not going to say?

Yes.

Posted By: plutarch Hanging by a thread - 11/09/01 02:06 PM
You should have turned the other cheek, Plutarch.
I guess I'm hanging by a thread here, Wordminstrel. But I am chastened by all this censure. I solemnly declare that I will never again [in this thread] return an insult with heart-felt praise. (I have a weakness for "The Doors" and sometimes it gets the better of me.)



Posted By: plutarch Re: Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 02:27 PM
Does anyone remember the name for the rhetorical device for saying what you are not going to say?
I don't know, wwh. But Shakespeare's Marc Anthony said it best: "We came to bury Caesar not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar."






Posted By: Faldage Re: Cataphasis - 11/09/01 02:39 PM
Not to mention paralipsis

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=32993

Posted By: wordminstrel Et tu Brutu - 11/09/01 02:48 PM
"We came to bury Caesar not to praise him.
Nemo dat quod non habet. You can't paper over your ill-breeding by quoting Shakespeare, Plutarch. The devil can quote scripture, doncha know.

Posted By: plutarch Re: Et tu Brutu - 11/09/01 02:55 PM
The devil can quote scripture
True. He can also quote "The Doors". Oops. I didn't mean to say that. Is that a cataphasis?

Posted By: Faldage Re: Et tu Brute - 11/09/01 03:12 PM
Is that a cataphasis?

No.

Posted By: wordminstrel Baited breath - 11/09/01 03:14 PM
Dear Wordminstrel: Baiting your breath with methyl chloride could swiftly abate your breathing.
It is not my breath I wish to abate, wwh. In any case, it seems to have worked.



Posted By: wwh Re: Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 03:30 PM
Be not the first by whom the new is tried, not yet the last to lay the old aside.

Posted By: moss Talibanning - 11/09/01 03:45 PM
I hear this is the place talibanned by people of "good breeding". I can't wait to tell all my friends about it.

Posted By: moss the last word - 11/09/01 09:44 PM
this is the song that never ends,
it just goes on and on, my friends.
some people started singing it
not knowing what it was
and they’ll continue singing it forever just because,
this is the song that never ends....

<repeat... and repeat... and...>

with thanks to tsuwm

Posted By: consuelo Re: the last word - 11/09/01 10:24 PM
Who's tsuwming who?

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: a final touché?-via Ogden Nash? - 11/09/01 10:25 PM
He must've written this poem with this thread in mind!

THE SCREEN WITH THE FACE WITH THE VOICE

by Ogden Nash

How long
Is a song?
O Lord,
How long?
A second?
A minute?
An hour?
A day?
A decade?
A cycle of Cathay?
Press the ears
With occlusive fingers;
The whining melody
Lingers, lingers;
The mouthing face
Will not be hid,
But leers at the eye
From the inner lid.
With the sure advance of ultimate doom
The moaning adenoids larger loom;
The seven-foot eyebrows fall and rise
In roguish rapture or sad surprise;
Eyeballs roll with fine emotion,
Like buoys rocked by a treacle ocean;
Tugged like the bell above the chapel,
Tosses the giant Adam's apple;
Oozes the voice from the magic screen,
A slow Niagra of Grenadine;
A frenzy of ripe orgiastic pain,
Niagra gurgling down the drain.

How long
Is a song?
O Lord,
How long?
As long as Loew,
And Keith,
And Albee;
It Was,
And Is,
And Always Shall Be.
This is the string Time may not sever,
This is the music that lasts forever,
This is the Womb,
This is the Tomb,
This is Alpha, Omega, and Oom!
The eyes, the eyes shall follow you!
The throat, the throat shall swallow you!
Hygienic teeth shall wolf you!
And viscous voice engulf you!
The lolloping tongue itself answer your question!
The Adam's Apple dance at your ingestion!
And you shall never die, but live to nourish the bowels
Of deathless celluloid vowels.

© 1947 by Ogden Nash

(note: the italics are mine)



Posted By: wwh Re: Aside to Plutarch - 11/09/01 11:45 PM
Does anyone remember the name for the rhetorical device for saying what you are not
going to say?

Faldage reply: Yes

Dear Faldage: Another example of the rhetorical device:

" I will not say you are lying, but I am unable to think of a more probable reason for not giving its name."


Posted By: wordminstrel the very last word - 11/10/01 12:40 AM
imagine how pleased I was to get the chance to post this somewhere
No-one ever accused me of having "good breeding", or "good manners" for that matter, but I know when I have met my match. tsuwm deserves to have "the last word".

Posted By: plutarch Re: the very last word - 11/10/01 12:48 AM
I know when I have met my match
He does have the superior claim, wordminstrel. Qui melius probat, melius habet. It is gracious of you to concede defeat. I know how much it meant to you.

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