Has anyone ever seen an example of an Altar Poem, or have a link where i might find one?
My source (
http://jdc-concrete.com/TERMS.HTM#inflexiv) defines an Altar Poem as follows:
"in English poetry from the Renaissance a poem where the verses or stanzas take the form of the subject of the poem (Wither, Quarles, Benlowes, Herrick and Herbert)"
these sound interesting, if i'm understanding the concept correctly (and am i wrong in assuming that the original altar poem, from which the name was derived, was about/in the form of an altar? anyone have access to the poem itself?)
TIA
b
Found this via "Altar Poem" in Google :
"Concrete poetry is the modern development of an old poetic device, in which the poem is printed in a particular design. "The Altar," an altar-shaped poem by the 17th-century English poet George HERBERT, is a famous example. In more recent times Guillaume APOLLINAIRE and E. E. CUMMINGS made typographical design an integral element of some of their poems, and such later poets as Ian Hamilton Finlay and Richard Kostelanetz experimented with the style."
Any help?
wow
cool, thanks wow. i'd actually read that same excerpt, and was disappointed that it (1) didn't specify whether Herbert's "The Altar" was written as a literal interpretation of the Altar Poem style (okay, granted, it's unlikely) or if the Altar Poem indeed took its name from Herbert's offering (that's a pun, sadly) and (2) the site didn't provide the poem itself.
it hadn't occured to me to simply google "George Herbert The Altar" until i read your post; and voila:
1 A broken ALTAR, Lord, thy servant rears,
2 Made of a heart and cemented with tears;
3 Whose parts are as thy hand did frame;
4 No workman's tool hath touch'd the same.
5 A HEART alone
6 Is such a stone,
7 As nothing but
8 Thy pow'r doth cut.
9 Wherefore each part
10 Of my hard heart
11 Meets in this frame
12 To praise thy name.
13 That if I chance to hold my peace,
14 These stones to praise thee may not cease.
15 Oh, let thy blessed SACRIFICE be mine,
16 And sanctify this ALTAR to be thine.
(darnit, i can't figure out how to switch to plain text so that the format won't be lost... HEEELLLLLP, tsuwm!)
1 A broken ALTAR, Lord, thy servant rears,
2 Made of a heart and cemented with tears;
3 Whose parts are as thy hand did frame;
4 No workman's tool hath touch'd the same.
5 A HEART alone
6 Is such a stone,
7 As nothing but
8 Thy pow'r doth cut.
9 Wherefore each part
10 Of my hard heart
11 Meets in this frame
12 To praise thy name.
13 That if I chance to hold my peace,
14 These stones to praise thee may not cease.
15 Oh, let thy blessed SACRIFICE be mine,
16 And sanctify this ALTAR to be thine.
ya mean like that??
thanks darlin =)
now, please tell your secret.
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blue]Has anyone ever seen an example of an Altar Poem, or have a link where i might find one?
The mouses tale in Alice (can't remember which one offhand - apologies] is a good example.
Rod
Years ago I used to routinely writes these. Many 4th grade teachers create these with their class, and therefore they've got a bad rap. I think they're lots of fun, sometimes haunting. All the good examples I know are in German. Here is an English one I found, albeit a 4th grade type one in English:
http://teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blank/okstory1250.htm
Do they all HAVE to be "altar poems"? I got a lovely one in the shape of a tree, and I'd rather call it a tree poem.
Do they all HAVE to be "altar poems"? I got a lovely one in the shape of a tree, and I'd rather call it a tree poem.
I think it is useful to have a single word (or word phrase) to describe a poem which is typographically shaped to represent its subject. It just so happens that Altar has been chosen as that word. Which I agree seems rather strange. If enough people agree we could start a movement to popularise (pople for Brits) a new word. Suggestions?
Rod
on the other hand, if a poem has been shaped to represent its subject, it has in all probability been altered.{smile}
My
tree poem "Photo Sin Thesis" had to be
trimmed a bit, no doubt!
I clicked on belligerentyouth's link to the teen poem, but both times my Internet froze up. Did anyone else have this problem??
I clicked on belligerentyouth's link to the teen poem, but both times my Internet froze up. Did anyone else have this problem??no problem here. lemme guess... AOL?
there are pop-ups on that site... perhaps you have a personal firewall running?
I wasn't on my own computer... Oh, well. Just curious.
As Addisonian was an AWAD not so long ago, here is an article from the Spectator by Addison on these poems, the earliest known examples of which are by the Greek poet Simmias of Rhodes and date back to 324 BC. Addison didn't think much of them, by the way.
http://harvest.rutgers.edu/projects/spectator/text/may1711/no58.html Bingley
Oh! The article mentions one of our own!!
"The Sheperd's Pipe may be said to be full of Musick, for it is composed of nine different Kinds of Verses, which by their several Lengths resemble the nine Stops of the old musical Instrument, [that [2] ] is likewise the Subject of the Poem. [3]"
Coo-ool!