gonold..made a post about his name and its meaning got me thinking.. maybe a thread about names would be fun.

for years, i have read that my name, HELEN, is from a old greek word for a lighthouse (or an artifical light source) the Hel was from the same root word of helio (as in sun) but Helen was definiately signifigantly less than a sun!... (likewise Hellenism was the idea of old greek knowledge being a 'beacon light' to the world.)

lah de da, nice enough, but for this thread i consulted
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition/2000 and what they said was something totaly different!

Hel·en
PRONUNCIATION: hln
NOUN: Greek Mythology The daughter of Zeus and Leda and wife of Menelaus, considered to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Her abduction by Paris caused the Trojan War.
ETYMOLOGY: Greek Helen. See wel-2 in Appendix I.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE565.html
To turn, roll; with derivatives referring to curved, enclosing objects.
Derivatives include waltz, willow, wallow, revolve, valley, and helix.

Nothing to do with light! so whats the story of your name (real, or cyber name!--or the name you wished you had.)

The reason the K1W1s all hate me so as because I tell them what to do with their sheep.

Faldage; the right of the lord of the manor to have his tenants pasture their sheep where he tells them to, for fertilization of the soil.

The concept of droit du seigneur in the above context is, of course, unthinkable.

My name is Name.

Or, in Hawaiian = Inoa
Welcome!

My name is Ann and it seems to be common in every language with myriad meanings. From Chinese as Peace to English often given as graceful or queenly.
I'd be interested in what meanings other languages give it.
My Hawaiian friends gave me the name Na'ho'ailona which means "one who reads the omens." Rather fiting for the High Priestess of the Board! ;-) - and it was given long before I found AWAD.

My name Amy means "beloved."

Coffeebean got her name from a teenage friend of mine who had the habit of saying to me: "know what I mean, jellybean?" One day, with latte in hand I replied, "I'm more of a coffeebean, don't you think?" And the name stuck.

I have seen two origins for Carol
1)Song of joy - this is supposed to come from the French and is the one I prefer especially since I was born in December.
2)The feminine version of Charles - but Charles is supposed to mean strong and manly so what the heck is the feminine version of that? Wimpy and womanly? Butch?
On the whole I'd prefer to be a Christmas Carol (all together now - aaawwwww)

In reply to:

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The concept of droit du seigneur in the above context is, of course, unthinkable.

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So how come you thought it?

Bingley

how come you thought it?

Some unthinking persons had mentioned it in earlier incarnations of this thread and the lovely AnnaS was merely attempting to forestall such digressions in this incarnation.

Which have, of course, already begun. It was probably overrated anyway ...

My first name, Rachel, means "ewe" or "purity" depending on where you look. My middle name, Lynn, means a "cascade or waterfall" or "pretty" again depending on which names dictionary you look in. My last name means "Brilliant", "Landowner", or "the Crown of his Country."

Does that make me a pretty lamb who is a landowner? Or maybe I am a pure, brilliant waterfall...

This is another good site for looking up names:

http://www.ivillage.com/namefinder

Does that make me a pretty lamb who is a landowner?

I dunno. You better talk to Faldage about that.

ask Faldage

I guess that would mean you can pretty well pasture wherever you want to.

I, Roger, a famous spearman, have always enjoyed my name auf Deutsch: Rutger.
and I am, of course, jolly.

This root ger is also found in garlic 'spear-leek'.

oh. thanks.

oh. thanks.

I'm sorry. It wasn't meant as a dig at yer moniker, really. Is it because you dislike garlic? or because it disses your name?

My real-life name is Dagny. Many well-read people ask me if I was named after the Ayn Rand character in Atlas Shrugged... but no. In fact, my parents & I didn't even learn of the book until I was in high school. Dagny is actually a traditional Norwegian name that translates literally to "New Day". My mom really wanted me to have a Norwegian name (both my parents are Norwegian, whether by birth or by heritage), so my dad made a list for her before I was born. As soon as my mom saw "Dagny" on the list, she knew that was the one. My middle name is Pernille, after my dad's sister.

I'm glad I'm a girl, though... I would have been Halvor had I been a boy, after my mom's father. I'm sure it was a fine name for Depression-era North Dakota, but I'm certain it would have been good for nothing but schoolyard poundings when I was growing up. I mean, "Dagny" was hard enough during the 80s Valley Girl thing. "Gag me with a spoon" morphed into "Dagny with a spoon", plus I had the redhead stigma. Ah, the crosses we bear.

As for Fiberbabe, I initially chose it based on my sewing background, plus the "Cyberbabe" wordplay thing. Naturally, given this crowd, many have opted to ignore that and ascribe a dietary context to it... So fine, I've decided to embrace that. Capfka embraced it too, and calls me Junior Wheatgerm. That finally explains his periodic "JW" references for the non-old-timers!

oh. thanks.

I'm sorry. It wasn't meant as a dig at yer moniker, really. Is it because you dislike garlic? or because it disses your name?

ah, I missed this one a couple of days ago!
no, I was just kidding around. the emoticon supply is lacking here, and I should have added a wink or two...
"spear-leek" just doesn't quite have a ring to it though, does it?

Dunno why I'm doing this since it's an old and not interesting story, but my online name(s) stem from my own. Shanks is a contraction of my middle name, and 'sunshine warrior' is a creative interpretation of the meanings of my first and last names (which come from Sanskrit and Malayalam respectively). So there... :-)

Am I the only one who looks across both ponds for "a little help" on this one...?

"...means "ewe" or "purity" depending on where you look."



... I don't know where to start the *innuendo(es).

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My online name here has many layers of definitions (what else is new), the most obvious of which is that I've been a musician for @ 8/9ths of my life, and I started when I was under 5yrs old.

Although 'music' has developed to mean the common "sound based structures" to which the name is attributed, I'd like to think it as (possibly was once defined/understood as) "of or having the qualities of (a) 'muse'."

Aside from it being an original, maybe the first written form of the word we know and use as "music"... the "sick" part, well, you'll just have to shtick around a while...

... I don't know where to start the *innuendo(es).

That's OK, I already did.

When I lived in Mexico, family and friends had a little trouble wrapping their tongues around my foreign, American sounding given name, Connie, so I took the name Consuelo and I'm not giving it back . It suits me (like musick's suits him like a one pound onion) and is an interesting blend of my given name and my middle name, a blend I much prefer to the unblended version. For more info on my taken name, check here:

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=41994

muse n
[ME, fr. L Musa, fr. Gk Mousa the nine sister goddesses in Greek mythology presiding over song and poetry and the arts and sciences] 1 : a source of inspiration 2 : poet

music n
[ME musik, fr. OF musique, fr. L musica, fr. Gk mousike any art presided over by the Muses, esp. music, fr. fem. of mousikos of the Muses, fr. Mousa Muse] : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having rhythm, melody, or harmony

myrmidon n

from this site:
http://www.kl.oakland.edu/kraemer/edcm/

droit du seigneur

I had to look that one up to see if it means what I thought it means:

"(French: “right of the lord”), a feudal right said to have existed in medieval Europe giving the lord to whom it belonged the right to sleep the first night with the bride of any one of his vassals."

Looks like those "male bonding rituals" are rubbing off on you, AnnaS.

Ewe et mon droit.

Faldo should emblazon that on his coat-of-arms! [At least on his Jockey shorts.]

Maybe he already has. Too much to hope you will share that with us? [I'm already in stitches. I'll even pay for the seamstress.]

Unfortunately, I have never known the meaning of my true name. For it is Pailani...the only thing I know of it is that it is from the old Sumarian language. Other then that, I have no idea. Maybe some one whom reads this might have a clue and be able to direct me in the right direction so that I may discover the meaning.

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness,

Reverend Alimae

Reverend Alimae - Although I cannot help you with your discovery process, I do wish you a hearty welcome to our 'linguistic mosh pit'. I'll assure you you'll find someone here who "has a clue".

Thank you so much for welcoming me as well as giving me encouragement to continue with my quest. I look forward to being able to offer my style of catechizing different linguistic words.

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness,

Reverend Alimae

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness

I, too, wish you success with your quest, Reverend Alimae,
and I trust you will find peace and happiness when your concupiscence is satisfied.

when your concupiscence is satisfied

ah, but what about the journey, not the destination?

ah, but what about the journey, not the destination

If "the journey" is your peace and happiness, etaoin, you do not have "a strong desire" for it. You are too busy living it, and enjoying it, in the moment.

If, on the other hand, "the destination" is the reason for your journey, you may have to suspend your peace and happiness until you get there.

"Strong desires" can be sublimated, etaoin, but usually they have to be sated or extinguished to achieve a condition of meaningful peace and happiness.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines "concupiscence" thus:

"A strong desire, especially sexual desire; lust."

A person can have a "strong desire" for peace or happiness, but they won't experience either one until they lose their desire for it.

I think it is probably true that most of us have to desire peace or happiness to find them, but, once found, desire, like dew, evaporates in the morning sun.

Some people find peace and happiness without looking for them. Or even desiring them.

Whoever wrote "Zipidee Doo Dah" understood that.

"Zipidee Doo Dah, Zipidee Ay
My of my, what a wonderful day
Plenty of sunshine, plenty all day
Zipidee Doo Dah, Zipidee Ay."

Kids who are loved and cared for don't have to look for peace and happiness.

They just have to rediscover them once they grow up.

>>peace and happiness<<

Now, I could be wrong but I don't think that's exactly what etaoin had in mind. But, rather, what Peter Boyle heard put succinctly in the 1970 feature, 'Joe,' "It's not a race." [Note: it's 34 years since I heard the line and if I ain't dead on, I'm in the ballpark.]

etaoin,
Ah, but that is the beauty of it all. It is my experience that through the drive to obtain happiness, one is able to find peace and visa versa. Thus the journey is never ending, making it always something to strive for.

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness,

Reverend Alimae

Ah, but that is the beauty of it all.

I believe 'twas my point.

Thus the reason I was agreeing. I just wrote it out alitle more so that others would understand that. Btw, thank you.

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness,

Reverend Alimae

ah, my humblest apologies for mis-understanding.

ah, yes, the beauty of it all.

How wonderfully succinct. It looks like we are all in full agreement.

"Peace is the concupiscence of happiness."

Need we say more? Or need we say it again?

The poignancy might go off this aphorism if we trot it out too often.

what if one is concupiscent for concupiscence?

what if one is concupiscent for concupiscence?

If the Reverend believes concupiscence will bring him happiness, at least he's laying it on the line.

Ex-President Carter laid it on the line in a television interview back in the '80s, and his concupiscence brought him nothing but headaches.

How times have changed!

I look forward to being able to offer my style of catechizing different linguistic words.

I'm waiting with bated breath!

I find that when I aggregate my experiences each day that I enter a phantasmagoria state if you will, thus allowing me to pursue my motto of “Peace is the concupiscence of happiness.” It is due to this mind set that enables me to be more of a pursuivant for those around me.

So as to wether or not I lay it on the line, as it were? Yes. And I do it with glee.

Oh, btw I am female.

Peace is the concupiscence of happiness,

Reverend Alimae

So as to wether or not I lay it on the line, as it were? Yes. And I do it with glee.

I just found you, Reverend Engenderer.

http://allpoetry.com/poets/AlimaeHP

How did u find this place?

Having experienced your writing style first-hand, I would say your self-analysis is pretty much dead on.

"There is much dubiety surrounding my particular method of poetry style as it were. It has been related to me that at times my style is along the lines of being entirely to bravura and at other times it is conundrum which is to difficult to comprehend."

Love your poetry, Reverend, but your motto is beginning to fade on me.

It was a conundrum the first time I saw it, but I don't think I can bravura much more of it ... as it were. Thanks.

It was never my intention to cause any type of problems, for that I do apologize. I must thank you for bringing this to my attention and I have corrected it. If in the future you find something that is offensive or causes one problems, please feel free to inform me and I will attempt to correct what ever the aberration may be.

Rev. Alimae

Back to the main reason I posted on this forum, is there anyone whom might have any suggestions as to where I might find the meaning to my name? “Pailani” I guess what I am looking for is some type of direction as to where I might be able to begin my search, this would include being able to break my name down into its’ myriad parts.
I would appreciate any type of help that can be offered.

Rev. Alimae

Thank you so much for your warm welcome and I will do my utmost to not let you down.

Rev. Alimae

In answer to your question of "How did u find this place? BTW what's an "engenderer"?

I found AWAD through the net, just as I found AP. I have been looking for a site that would allow me to speak in my normal fashion with out having to think about how I am going to verbalize what I say. Though I am finding that it does not matter what site I go to, I seem to use words that are entirely to hard to comprehend.

An Engenderer is a transitive verb meaning to have offspring: to cause offspring to be conceived or born ( formal ) : beget, give birth to, generate, propagate, spawn

Rev. Alimae

Pailani

There is a "Pailani" in India in a Region known as Banda.

TASHIL, Block & Thana
There are four Tahsils namely Banda, Naraini, Baberu and Atarra comprising eight blocks of Badokhar-khurd, Jaspura, Tindwari, Naraini, Mahua, Baberu, Bisanda and Kamasinfrom the present district of Banda.

There are seventeen thanas namely Kotwali City, Kotwali Dehat, Mataundh, Tindwari, Pailani, Chilla, Naraini, Atarra, Girwa, Kalinjar, Badousa, Bisenda, Baberu, Kamasin, Fhateganj, Jaspura and Marka.

Maybe this is your "Pailani", Reverend.

Hope it helps.

Grapho,

Considering India was originally of the Samarian Empire at one time, that would make sense. You have been of immense assistance to me, for this is more information then I had to begin with. Now I actually have a direction in which to direct my search.
I am in your debt and am very thankful to you for this,


Rev. Alimae

>Considering India was originally of the Samarian Empire

Did you mean Sumerian? The only references to a Samarian Empire I could find were to some sort of elvish D&D type world.

India was never part of the Sumerian empire, which extended no further east than the western extremities of modern-day Iran and no further south than Kuwait. As far as I can tell, India's only ever been part of the Moghul and British empires.

[Edit] Which is not to say that parts of India, particularly the north and west, have not been overrun in the past, notably, I guess, by Alexander the Great!

Alimae, please click on "Check Private" at the top of the page.

your search

Investigating the history of this 5000 year old alabaster statue (originally known as the Lady of Warka and now the Sumerian Mona Lisa) may give you some further leads, Reverend.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/030923/137/27yrx.html

She looks a bit like you ... wouldn't you say?

It might help to know how you got your true name Pailani. How did you find out it was Sumarian / Samarian?

Pailani struck me as being Hawai'ian. don't know why, it just did. a search at alltheweb.com confirmed both the Indian and Hawai'ian usages.

...but your motto is beginning to fade on me.

It was a conundrum the first time I saw it, but I don't think I can bravura much more of it ... as it were.

Who said subtlety is lost on the internet?

*******

AlimaeHP - Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale...

Capfka,
I stand corrected. I was not aware that India was never a part of the Sumerian empire. The information that I have consists of the following where in during the 5th millennium B.C. people known as the Ubaidians established settlements in the region known later as Sumer; these settlements gradually developed into the chief Sumerian cities, namely Adab, Eridu, Isin, Kish, Kullab, Lagash, Larsa, Nippur, and Ur. Several centuries later, as the Ubaidian settlers prospered, Semites from Syrian and Arabian deserts began to infiltrate, both as peaceful immigrants and as raiders in a quest of booty. After about 3250 B.C., another people migrated from its homeland, located probably northeast of Mesopotamia, and began to intermarry with the native population. The newcomers, who became known as Sumerians, spoke an agglutinative language unrelated apparently to any other known language.

The information I had concerning India being a part of the empire was supplied to my via a professor of ancient history up at the local university. I do believe I will give him a call and have a discussion with him concerning this, hopefully I will leave with an understanding as to what his reasons behind his belief are.

Rev. Alimae

This is what occurs when one attempts to catenate anything after being awake for almost 24 hours. Yes, my intention was to write Sumerian and not Samarian.
I appreciate your pointing that out to me.

Rev. Alimae

My father was a historian as well as a scholar, it was he who named me and prior to his death he explained that it was the combination of two Sumerian words. Unfortunately I was entirely way too young to remember them, and I now have no way of asking him for he died in 1980 from a head injury. Thus, I find myself forging ahead blindly attempting to ascertain the meaning of it on my own. I have attempted to do this for some years, to no avail. Thus I find myself asking for any advice or assistance that may be given from the members of AWAD.

Rev. Alimae

Etaoin,
I would love to be able to say that my name is Polynesian, more precisely originating from the Hawaiian islands,; unfortunately the correct spelling of the name in their language is Paloni with the meaning of Goddess of the Sea or Ocean. Thus, as you can see, it is not the same name.
Another distinguishing feature of my name is the vowel make up. It has a very distinct linguistic pronunciation, also making it difficult to locate the exact meaning or root(s) there of.

As for my name originating in India or there being a town in India with my name; the internet is notorious for having misspelt words. If you do a search on my name “pailani” it brings up a supposed city with my name, unfortunately the actual spelling of that city is “Pilani” which as you can see is not the same.

So in closing you can see that it would be easy to assume that it is of either language or origin.

Rev. Alimae

Thank you for helping me to smile.

Rev. Alimae

ah well. though, seems as if linguistically you might wordize it however you'd like...

Ok, in my opinion this site is almost freaky. At the moment I am not entirely sure what I should be thinking.

Thank you for the information and the link.

Rev. Alimae

...this site is almost freaky...

"Almost"? Then I must be slacking...

...I mean, we are *in "Wordplay and Fun".

You do have a good point, but it was weird seeing a bust made thousands of years ago that has such an uncanny resemblance to me.

Rev. Alimae

don't mind him, that's our Morey...

etaoin, does that make you "Sally"?

http://www.born-today.com/Today/amsterdam_m.htm

Sally

heh. nope, I would be that other handsome guy in the pic...

ah well. though, seems as if linguistically you might wordize it however you'd like...


This is very true especially considering the various ways of spelling different names. My questions though is when you have different cultures whom, to my knowledge, and please feel free to correct me if I err on this part, are thousands of miles apart, do not have any communications between them and have names that are similar yet with distinctly different meanings, how can we say that they are the same?
I mean, if I were to say that my name “Pailani” is a bastardization of Paloni, then I would be able to say that the connotations imply that the meaning is of a goddess of the sea, yet that would be a lie due to the fact that the two societies, Sumeria and Hawaii do not have any connections.
Now it is more likely that the Indian name of “Pilani” could be closer due to the regional area that it is located in as well as the proximity to the old Sumerian empire. Yet it could be distinctly different as well.
Thus the reason for my attempt to ascertain the exact meaning of my name, so that there will be no confusion or questionable doubt as to its intended allusion.


In closing, may I ask what does “Wordize” mean? I believe I understand what you are portraying, I am just curious as to the definition of the word for it is one I have never come across before.

Rev. Alimae

well, it sounds pretty much like the Sumerian derivation is the correct one. have you found the two words with which your name was made? Pai and Lani? or Pail and Ani? etc.?
the Hawai'ian thing just sounds(!) like one of those coincidences of language.

as for wordize... we recently had a thread about izing everything. figured it fit well here. I think that with the fluidity of language, especially these days, and the cross culturality of the internet, we have almost reached a moment where words can mean what we wish them to be. a chaotic bifurcative experience sits waiting for the right impetus...
your name, can mean what you want it to mean; informed by its parts and history, but wholly you.

thanks for making me think about this...

The newcomers, who became known as Sumerians, spoke an agglutinative language unrelated apparently to any other known language.

Just to be pedantic, they are no records of any languages related to Sumerian. But since Sumerian is Earth's oldest recorded language (may have tied with Chinese, but all the evidence is not in yet), we don't really know if Sumerian was an isolate or not. We don't know what the Ubaidians called themselves (their name comes from a placename) or what language they spoke.

AlimaeHP, here is an online Sumerian dictionary. http://www.sumerian.org/sumerlex.htm. I hope this helps you in your quest.

Bingley

My father was a historian as well as a scholar, it was he who named me Wow, and he must really have loved you! Looketh, from Bingley's link:

pa: leaf, bud, sprout; branch; wing; feather
i*: v., to capture, defeat, overcome
la: abundance, luxury, wealth; youthful freshness and beauty; bliss, happiness; wish, desire
ní: self; body; one's own

*I am wondering whether he perhaps put an i so that the word might "read" better in English. Look at one of the def.'s for é: é: house, household; temple; plot of land Although the noun version of i might have been literal: i: n., cry of pain

Bingly,
The website was very informative if not slightly confusing to me, yet greatly appreciated. Thank you for locating the site and for informing me of its existence, for it has been enabled me to complete my quest.

Jackie,
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for figuring this out for me, I actually took a look at it last night and was confused by it. Then again this might have had something to do with the fact that my mind was in shut down mode due to lack of sleep.
It is amazing to me that my life mirrors the meaning of my name so closely. Going off of this I would have to say that my father wanted the

In reply to:

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noun version of i
might have been literal: i : n., cry of pain”

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For everyone else whom assisted in my endeavor,
Thank you for taking time out of your day to offer suggestions, advice or encouragement. It has been received with great exhilaration. I find myself feeling in debated to all.

Rev. Alimae

pa: leaf, bud, sprout; branch; wing; feather
i*: v., to capture, defeat, overcome
la: abundance, luxury, wealth; youthful freshness and beauty; bliss, happiness; wish, desire
ní: self; body; one's own

This is not exactly how I would go about doing this if I were you, but to each her/his own. Picking single syllables out of a short, online dictionary and concatenating them doesn't necessarily give you a Sumerian name or even a word. I wonder what AlimaeHP's dad did. Was he an ANE historian or a Sumerologist? When I first looked at the string pailani, as little as I know about Sumerian, I thought what's that diphthong doing there. I couldn't find any example of 'ai' in the online Sumerian Lexicon. Not saying it doesn't exist, just if it does, it's rare. I wonder if there are two roots: pail and ani, or pai and lani. Couldn't find either. This weekend, I going to the university library to renew my card, and I'll take a look at a bigger Sumerian lexicon.

I must confess, when it comes to languages other then Latin, and English, I know very little. I would be very interested in seeing what you are ably to discover. I appreciate your taking the time to go to the library to research this for me. As for whether or not my father was an ANE historian or a Sumerologist, I believe, and I may be wrong, that he was a Sumerologist.
“I wonder if there are two roots: pail and ani, or pai and lani.” From the understanding that I do poses, which is very little, my name is a compilation of two words, so yet again this makes more sense. Though it is interesting as well as exciting to see what a breakdown of the letters would give; especially considering this is farther then I have ever gotten in my search.

Rev. Alimae

we recently had a thread about izing everything.

So you might say eta took "word" and etaoinized it.

I guess that puts the izing on the cake...

Lol Etaoin.

Rev. Alimae

my name means *****=princess *****=bright *******=son of grace, or possibly love, there is some dispute.

a shiny new penny to anyone who PMs me and fills in the blanks.

http://www.behindthename.com/

(© Mike Campbell)

Okay, guys, for all of us here, I guess it should be mentioned that David means beloved.