Wordsmith.org
Posted By: Homo Loquens Palindromes? - 11/02/05 09:15 AM
This has most likely been done to death but, favourite palindromes?

Mine:

Satan oscillate my metallic sonatas.

Also, the Rotas Sator square is very interesting, no?
Posted By: Faldage Re: Palindromes? - 11/02/05 11:12 AM
It might be hard to imagine that this sentence could luoce cnet ness ihttah ten igam iotdra hebth gimti.
Posted By: nancyk Re: Palindromes? - 11/02/05 01:35 PM
What a coincidence, Faldage, that's my favorite, too!
Posted By: Jackie Re: Palindromes? - 11/02/05 02:11 PM
Ah ha.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: sator square - 11/02/05 04:14 PM
I found that to be fascinating until learning it was from wiki! I kiw morf saw tignin raellit nugn it anic safe bott aht dnuofi?

edited for Subject (not spelling!)
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: sator square - 11/03/05 05:30 AM
Quote:

I found that to be fascinating until learning it was from wiki! I kiw morf saw tignin raellit nugn it anic safe bott aht dnuofi?

edited for Subject (not spelling!)




This snobbish contempt for open-content media is profoundly ironic : If you maintain that user-contributed media is utterly useless, you will have to repudiate this forum, and the above comment you have posted in it.

Still, it would seem that the Sator Arepo is not below everyone :

To them let the Mocking Seal be given, the Mask behind which is outlined the Countenance they seek to bare, the Mystic Rebus, the Sublime Anagram.

“Sator Arepo!” I shout in a voice to make a specter tremble. And Sator Arepo appears, abandoning the wheel he grips with the clever hands of a murderer. At my command, he prostrates himself. I recognize him, for I had already suspected his identity. He is Luciano, the handicapped shipping clerk, who the Unknown Superiors have decreed will be the executor of my evil and bloody task.

“Sator Arepo,” I ask mockingly, “do you know what is the Final Answer concealed behind the Sublime Anagram?”

“No, Count,” the imprudent one replies. “I wait to learn it from your lips.”

From my pale lips infernal laughter bursts and reechoes through the ancient vaults.

“Fool! Only the true initiate knows he does not know it!”

“Yes, master,” the maimed clerk replies stupidly. “As you wish. I am ready.”


-- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum, 1988
Posted By: tsuwm Re: sator square - 11/03/05 08:02 AM
>This snobbish contempt for open-content media is profoundly ironic

Posted By: musick If at first you don't succeed... - 11/03/05 04:52 PM
...you will have to repudiate this forum...

The original pudicity didn't take hold?
Posted By: TEd Remington pudicity - 11/03/05 05:02 PM
Thanks for the new word, keven. Yours becomes you.
Posted By: Faldage Re: pudicity - 11/03/05 11:21 PM
Quote:

… the new word …




OED lists earliest citation at 1567
Posted By: TEd Remington Re: pudicity - 11/03/05 11:39 PM
Quote:

Quote:

… the new word …




OED lists earliest citation at 1567




So?
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 12:27 AM
Nouveau but not neuf
Posted By: Alex Williams Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 01:17 AM
I think the most impressive palindrome is the succinct
a man, a plan, a canal: Panama.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 02:08 AM
allus liked

able was I ere I saw Elba.
Posted By: sjmaxq Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 02:24 AM
Quote:

allus liked

able was I ere I saw Elba.




My favourite's always been Dad.
Posted By: Elizabeth Creith Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 02:37 AM
Madam, I'm Adam.
Posted By: Faldage Re: pudicity - 11/04/05 11:03 AM
Quote:

Madam, I'm Adam.




Eve.
Posted By: musick If I had a hi-fi. - 11/06/05 04:30 PM
Do geese see god?

Roy, am I a mayor?

V.I.P. I.V.
Posted By: themilum A palindrome (of sorts) - 11/06/05 04:38 PM
tamawafabasaeaaaaaaaeasabafawamat

...is a Hawaiian word that maybe means "everyone together".

It is also a palindrome
of an acronym
and a puzzle.

To he who solves this little Awad puzzle I will award a little kiss
or five American dollars the next time I see you.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: A palindrome (of sorts) - 11/06/05 04:58 PM
a Hawaiian word

I realize this is probably a joke, but it can't be a Hawai'ian word as that language does not have the phonemes b, f, s, or t.
Posted By: themilum Re: A palindrome (of sorts) - 11/06/05 05:30 PM
I said "maybe" zmjezhd.

Ok, maybe it was a Muskhogean indian word.
They had plenty of b,f,s,t's and such.

Yeah that was it..a Muskhogean word that means "we the people".

Posted By: zmjezhd Re: cigars and the polysemy of Being - 11/06/05 05:42 PM
I said "maybe" zmjezhd.

Hmm. You typed:

tamawafabasaeaaaaaaaeasabafawamat ... is a Hawaiian word that maybe means "everyone together".

The maybe seemed to be modifying the alleged meaning of the explicit Hawai'ian word. Or, maybe I don't understand what you mean by is. And, for the record, I said: "I realize this is probably a joke". (Stick a big old bracketed nictitatin' smilie here.)
Posted By: themilum Cigars and the polysemy of puzzles. - 11/08/05 05:35 PM
Time's up! And I hope that the failure of this group to solve my puzzle was a lack of interest in the puzzle.

Otherwise, one might think you folk slow, and we know well that that isn't the case.

No matter, here is the answer to the acronym-palindrome-awad-puzzle which offered up the clue "everyone all together".

tamawafabasaeaaaaaaaeasabafawamat

tsuwm and maverick and whitman and faldage and bingly and sjmax and etaion and alex and anu and annastrophic and elizabeth and sparteye and belmarduk and father and wolfahulicolic and musick and tED.


**** ( Sorry, Consuelo and inselpeter and jackie and of troy and belligerentyouth and, of course, zmJezhd; I couldn't find you all a mate. )
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Cigars and the polysemy of puzzles. - 11/08/05 05:51 PM
zmJezhd; I couldn't find you all a mate.

Not a problem. Bob's me Uncle, and jheem's me China.
Posted By: Coffeebean Re: Cigars and the polysemy of puzzles. - 11/17/05 10:18 PM
Damon: a nomad.
Posted By: themilum Cheap liquor and wild women and polysemy. - 11/21/05 02:02 AM
ebabe

Cheap whiskey and palindromey stuff don't mix. Especially when palindroming numbers because palindroming numbers involves high math, i.e. addition.

There are only two kinds of palindromes; (1) words that read the same from left to right as they do from right to left, and (2) single numbers that total the same amount when the digits are inversed, and (3) when both numbers and letters can be inversed without altering the meaning of each. (I don't count #3)

But anyway, my palindrome "ebabe" (24,000 google hits) numbers "52125" if each letter is assigned its relative position in the progressive numbering of our alphabet. Of course all palindromic words are palindromic numbers, but this one serves well as a handy challange to find the root number for the palindrome.

But it won't be easy. I'll bet my bottom dollar that there is not a "ebabe" in the house who can find that elusive number.
Neither have I...yet, but I'll bet you my other bottom dollar that I can...can you? Go!
------------------------------------------>

Some interesting facts: What is a Palindrome?

A palindrome is something that reads the same forward as it does backward. It originated in the early 17th century from the Greek word palindromos (palíndromos), literally meaning "running back again."

Numbers: "52125", "4334", "8", and "1758571".
Words: "Radar", "I", "Eve", "Deed", and the world's longest in the English language: "Redivider".
"Madam, I'm Adam", and the timeless classic: "A man, a plan, a canal... Panama".

Numeric Palindromes: Here's the algorithm:

1. Pick a number.
2. Reverse its digits and add this value to the original number.
3. If this is not a palindrome, go back to step 2 and repeat.


Do all numbers eventually become palindromes by this process? It was suggested that this is the case but it hasn't been proven.

Most numbers become palindromes fairly quickly, in only a couple of steps:

13 -- 13 + 31 = 44 (one step)

64 -- 64 + 46 = 110 then 110 + 011 = 121 (two steps)

87 -- 87 + 78 = 165 then 165 + 561 = 726 then 726 + 627 = 1353 then 1353 + 3531 = 4884 (four steps)


In fact, about 80% of all numbers under 10,000 solve in 4 or less steps. About 90% solve in 7 steps or less. A rare case, number 89, takes 24 iterations to become a palindrome. It takes the most steps of any number under 10,000 that has been resolved into a palindrome. But the number 196 has not yet been found to result in a palindrome even after 40,000,000 steps of inversions and additions that led to a number with 600,000,000 digits.
hmm ...the root number for the palindrome...
well...number or no number...am still an ebabe...
lolll...
Uh, my bad, ebabe maygodbwidu.

It, uh, seems that, uh, the root number of palindrome "52125" is "52125".
In other words the palindrome number is its own root number.

But hey, I'm happy.
Posted By: musick Jeepers creepers... - 11/22/05 11:24 PM
Thanks, 'milum. In the future, I'll be looking at the number '196' with new eyes.
Posted By: wofahulicodoc Palindromic numbers - 11/24/05 12:30 AM
This site has this to say about the "196 Conjecture":

Palindromic Number Conjecture

Apply the 196-algorithm, which consists of taking any positive integer of two digits or more, reversing the digits, and adding to the original number. Now sum the two and repeat the procedure with the sum. Of the first 10000 numbers, only 251 do not produce a palindromic number in [23] steps [or less] (Gardner 1979).

It was therefore conjectured that all numbers will eventually yield a palindromic number. However, the conjecture has been proven false for bases which are a power of 2 [ * ], and seems to be false for base 10 as well. Among the first 100000 numbers, 5996 numbers apparently never generate a palindromic number (Gruenberger 1984). The first few are 196, 887, 1675, 7436, 13783, 52514, 94039, 187088, 1067869, 10755470, ... (Sloane's A006960).

It is conjectured, but not proven, that there are an infinite number of palindromic primes. With the exception of 11, palindromic primes must have an odd number of digits.

SEE ALSO: 196-Algorithm, Demlo Number.


[ * ] On the other hand...isn't 64 [a] power-of-2 base? [You palindromized that in just two steps!]

[edited for clarification]
Posted By: Homo Loquens Numeric Palindromes - 11/24/05 07:03 AM
Quote:

80% of all numbers under 10,000 solve in 4 or less steps. About 90% solve in 7 steps or less. A rare case, number 89, takes 24 iterations to become a palindrome. It takes the most steps of any number under 10,000 that has been resolved into a palindrome. But the number 196 has not yet been found to result in a palindrome even after 40,000,000 steps of inversions and additions that led to a number with 600,000,000 digits.




Thanks for the interesting post.

I'd be interested to see how the principles of palindromic alphanumericality bear on the Sator Arepo Tenet Opera Rotas.

You start.
Posted By: themilum Re: Palindromic numbers - 11/24/05 11:02 PM
64^2=4096+6904=11000+00011 = palindrome 11011 in base ten.

Nice move, wofahulicodoc.


19-15-21-01-20 = 76
15-16-05-19-01 = 56
21-05-14-05-21 = 66
01-19-05-16-15 = 56
20-01-21-15-19 = 76
________________
76 56 66 56 76

R O T A S
O P E R A
T E N E T
A R E P O
S A T O R

Your move, Homo Loquens.
© Wordsmith.org