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Posted By: maverick The long pull - 08/28/03 12:15 AM
Anyone know the origin of the phrase "pulling a fast one"?

And how many other pull phrases are you aware of?

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 12:27 AM
Is this related to Faldage's "pull a (insert person's name)"? Why is it bad, if you can say? There is 'pulling my leg' and 'pull a double' (hi, WO'N).

Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 12:35 AM
yes, related in the sense that it stems from the same thread on another board, but triggering in a different direction so I didn't want to mudificate his waters!

One meaning of "pull" in the UK is about 'sexual conquest' - it gives er, rise to phrases like "I think I've pulled there" and "going on the pull". But it struck me there's a whole nother nest of pull phrases too.

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 12:43 AM
Oh, dear--that's what I was afraid of! Thanks, though. I'm glad you didn't try to pull the wool over my eyes.

Posted By: vbq Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 02:12 AM
I'm glad you didn't try to pull the wool over my eyes.

Brilliant deduction, Jackie.

"Pulling a fast one" refers to the mugger's practice of pulling the wig ["the wool"] over the eyes of the 'mark' whilst the mark is relieved of his valuables.

The mugger disappears into the crowd leaving the 'mark', like a fish out of water, to re-pate-riate his dignity.

[Little wonder the wig fell out of favor.]




Posted By: consuelo Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 02:45 AM
And then there is just plain "having pull" and also "pull it off" which has nothing to do with Lorena Bobbit

Posted By: guest Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 03:41 AM
as for the origin, i wonder if it's something to do with a slight of hand?

as for others, how about:

pulling your leg
pulling the wool over one's eyes
and (mother to child or childish spouse) 'don't even THINK you're going to pull that one on me'

'course, there's always 'pull my finger', but.

Posted By: Bingley Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 04:30 AM
Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

stemming from pull someone's leg

Bingley
Posted By: Father Steve Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 05:15 AM
Pull your own weight
Pull one's irons out of the fire
Pulling when you oughta push
Pull over
Pull out of harbour
To pull someone's chain








Posted By: Father Steve One more, from student days - 08/28/03 05:16 AM
Pull an all-nighter


Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 11:24 AM
And in "working man's" jargon, you'd say "pulling a shift" or "I don't have seniority, so I have to pull the graveyard shift." (for instance) [or, as Jackie pointed out , "pull a double."]

Pull an all-nighter Did a little partying back in the day, eh, Father Steve? Welcome to the club!

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 11:34 AM
Pull an all-nighter Did a little partying back in the day, eh, Father Steve?

And how do you know that the padre didn't pull the sort of all-nighter mentioned at Luke 6:12?

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 11:37 AM
No, pull an all-nighter means to study, or, possibly, work all night when normally you don't.

Edit: or the kind in Luke 6:12.
Posted By: of troy Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 02:32 PM
and let's not forget Pulled Over-- which is US idiom for being stopped by a cop--
as in I got pulled over by a cop for not having my seat belt fastened

and a push me/pull me -- a door that is either pushed or pulled open (think of the Far Side cartoon, with the kid pulling on a door labeled Push Here)

Posted By: musick Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 09:15 PM
"I pulled out of that parking spot and pulled into the one closer to the entrance."

It seems to be something one *does with an auto.

Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 09:42 PM
"Pulling a fast one" refers to the mugger's practice of pulling the wig ["the wool"] over the eyes of the 'mark'...

Interesting - got any citation on that?

Posted By: vbq Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 10:18 PM
got any citation on that?

Nope, not chapter and verse anyway.

I think it was in a book by Willard Espy who published a collection of phrases which we still use today without understanding the original context.

One of those phrases was "pulling the wool over a person's eyes", hence, "pulling a fast one".

It seemed plausible to me because a street thief needs to work fast if he wants to stay in business.

But I'm open to other interpretations, mav.

Posted By: Zed Re: The long pull - 08/28/03 11:26 PM
Someone who has a lot of pull may not have to pull his own weight. You can also pull something out of thin air.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 03:23 AM
No, pull an all-nighter means to study, or, possibly, work all night when normally you don't.

Ah, but it also means to party till dawn, either or. We used to close down the Wildwoods at 3 am, then head up to a club near Atlantic City called the Dunes which was open all night, and whose slogan was "The Dunes 'til Dawn!" And we used to say, "We gotta stop pulling these all-nighters or we're going to burn ourselves out." But an "all-nighter" could be just a casual house party, too...sitting around playing music or listening to tunes, and (well, you get the picture ...some folks called it the "beer and pizza for breakfast" scene...but I never went in for the beer 'n' pizza in the morning thing, eggs and coffee always).



Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 05:40 AM
and coffee

Variation on a theme, eh, Juan?

Posted By: wsieber Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 05:43 AM
"Pulling the tap" on something always intrigued me
http://reason.com/0012/ci.ml.pulling.shtml

Posted By: Faldage Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 09:48 AM
Thus initiating the idea of the BYOK party

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 11:14 AM
Variation on a theme, eh, Juan?

Sounds like the voice of experience, eh, ASp?


Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 11:58 AM
voice of experience

Well, only insomuch as you introduced me to the term "coffee-AND"...

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 02:39 PM
we used to say, "We gotta stop pulling these all-nighters or we're going to burn ourselves out."
Well, then, obviously you-all were using it ironically, thus backing up my (implied) assertion that pulling an all-nighter carries the connotation of something negative.

There is also: pull no punches and pull out all the stops.

Posted By: consuelo Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 08:01 PM
Then again there is taking a long pull off a cold beverage

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 08:07 PM
a long pull off a cold beverage Ah, yes--and some of us have had more experience with that than others!

Posted By: consuelo Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 08:10 PM
I'll just bet you've taken a long pull or two off a cold iced tea in your day

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 08/29/03 08:30 PM
Indeed! I remember one summer afternoon when I was a kid, I'd been out playing batball or kickball for a long time, and when I came in I drank five big glasses straight down.

Posted By: wow Re: The long pull - 08/30/03 02:14 PM
Can't believe y'all missed "pull up your socks" meaning to stop dogging it and get on with the work, or to pull yourself out of a funk and cheer up also in the sense of getting on with the job at hand.

Posted By: Faldage Re: The long pull - 08/30/03 06:27 PM
Can't believe y'all missed

Geez, wouldn't have anything to do with never having heard it, I don't suppose.

Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: The long pull - 08/30/03 08:15 PM
hehe. haven't heard pull up your socks used that way, wow, though I have one son who is forever pulling up his socks!
I have heard "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps", however...


Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 08/31/03 10:32 PM
"pull up your socks" meaning to stop dogging it ...

Interesting wow - only on reading this a second time did it occur to me what had been bugging me for attention. It's that I have never been aware of it in this precise format - I've always seen and heard "pull your socks up!". Is your slightly different word order what you or others around you actually use? Anyone else got any input on this?

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: The long pull - 08/31/03 10:40 PM
>Anyone else got any input on this?


Only to say that, for the first time in the herstory of herstory, I agree with you. I've never heaerd "pull up your socks" - the command has always ended with the preposition here.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 12:59 AM
Pull your chin up!

Pull your shoulders back!



Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:10 AM
Either word order is normal for me, mav.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:12 AM
Pulling Taffy

[disclaimer: Warning -- food-thread potential]

An Old-Time Taffy Pull was a recipe as well as a social event! Thought you might enjoy this one, Jackie. 'Course, down here we call it "salt water taffy."

http://www.recipesource.com/desserts/candy/04/rec0419.html


Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:22 AM
Nope--I've never pulled taffy, nor made it either. Don't you think I pull enough weight as it is?

Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:24 AM
taffy pull

NOTE: If taffy becomes too stiff to pull, reheat in a 350 degree oven 3 to 5 minutes.


I know many a Taffy who may feel this is presumptuous behaviour...

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:29 AM
Nope--I've never pulled taffy, nor made it either. Don't you think I pull enough weight as it is?

Awww...I just thought you'd enjoy the quaint nostalgic Americana of it all, as opposed to partying all night.


Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 01:33 AM
I know many a Taffy who may feel this is presumptuous behaviour...

Speak for your own Taffy, sir! [evil-grin e ] you knew this thread had to get around to this sort of innuendo sooner or later, didn't you?



Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 02:02 AM
yb®

I am still hoping to get a definitive answer to my original question too ;)

Posted By: Jackie Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 02:20 AM
my original question Okay--well, see, your dad met your mom one day, and got this gleam in his eye...

Posted By: consuelo Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 02:58 PM

Now, Jackie, don't be talking about mav's mama like that!<EG>

Posted By: Capfka Re: The long pull - 09/01/03 06:38 PM
He hasn't got one. Reproduced by fission, like all bacteria ...

Posted By: maverick Re: The long pull - 09/02/03 11:51 AM
damn! I've been excluded from this thread by my software glitch the last day or so and missed your delightful insults... hey, I tele you I don haff no steenkin fission!

so, origin of pull a fast one, anybody?

Posted By: tsuwm Re: puling [sic] the fast one - 09/02/03 12:27 PM
okay mav, here are three possibilities:
1) from trapshooting - PULL! [darn! that was too quick!]
b) from pulling of strings and wires, hence an illicit trick or manipulation
iii) having a quick wank

hth.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: puling [sic] the fast one - 09/02/03 12:37 PM
caution: wank-related material...but linguistically relevant

>iii) having a quick wank<

Also commonly referred to as "pulling your meat."







Posted By: AnnaStrophic You guys!!! - 09/02/03 12:53 PM
...on a purely word-related note, many of USns owe it to this board (I admit having learned this term at an awfully young and innocent age) that we even know what wank or wanker is. Not that any of y'all are the latter or anything, but.

Posted By: tsuwm Re: puling [sic] the fast one - 09/02/03 01:00 PM
an aside:

Stan Mayslack was a local (and loco) pro-wrestler, back in the 50s. When he retired, he took over a local pub and renamed it "Mayslack's Polka Lounge". It was actually more well known for the lunchtime special: "world famous GARLIC roast beef" sandwiches. Burly Stan himself would stand in the serving line, glopping the au jus delicacy onto a double paper plate. Directly over his head, a sign read, "You can't beat Mayslack's meat!" Indeed.

edit: http://www.mayslacks.com/

Posted By: dodyskin not rude, honest - 09/02/03 08:39 PM
and of course there's 'pull your finger out', often heard being screamed across games fields by frustrated P.E. teachers at apathetic adolescents. Not sure about where this one comes from, it means get a move on, or make an effort. My partner says his dad (who worked in a mill) said it comes from people sticking their fingers in the ( can't 'member what they're called, you know, the vertical stretches of cotton) to stop the spinners and have a break in mill, when they were caught by foreman, he'd say OI, pull your finger out. Dunno if it's true though, could be rubbish, could mean pull your finger out of your arse but i think that's a recent addition to the phrase. ooh, i'm rambling now, it's late, i'm tired, and full from trying all the peanut butter recipes.

Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: amount of pay - 09/02/03 08:57 PM
Used this at work today and immediately thought of this thread.

Pulling in a nice salary.

Pulling in twelve bucks an hour.

Pulling a decent wage.

If it was a better sales list, I could be pulling in a lot more money than I am.

etc, etc...

Or, perhaps even more typically, "this job pulls it!" (or "this job pulls a big one!")[weaving in the devious theme-e]

Posted By: Zed Re: not rude, honest - 09/02/03 10:28 PM
to stop the spinners and have a break in mill,
I should think that would be a quick way to lose a finger if not a whole hand.

Posted By: of troy Re: not rude, honest - 09/02/03 10:34 PM
and then there is the 'pull my finger' routine-
(a rude bit i didn't know till i was grown up, we had lots of other rude bits, but not 'pull my finger'--one family favorite, for late in the afternoon, at summer family picnics, etc, was to get the kids to get a bucket/pot of water, and to warm it over the almost dead coals, once warm, it was poured over the hands of uncles, cousins, etc, who, having had too much to drink, were lying back on chairs sleeping off the effects--
while the sound of running water can stimulate an urge to go, warm water on your hands creates almost a reflex action!


Posted By: Bobyoungbalt Re: The long pull - 09/03/03 01:10 AM
No one has mentioned that 'pull' is French for 'sweater', specifically pull-over sweater, which is, I suppose, its origin. No wonder the Academie gets upset over Franglais.

Posted By: dodyskin lose my finger - 09/05/03 09:04 PM
well, I checked it out and got this explanation:
Finger: To pull your finger out is to hurry, to get a move on. This is another nautical saying and comes from the times of the Men'o'War. When the cannon were loaded a small amount of powder was poured into the ignition hole near the base of the weapon. In order to keep the powder secure before firing, a crew member pushed one of their fingers into the hole. When the time came for ignition, the crewman was told to pull his finger out.
There was no evidence offered for this, personally I'm even less convinced of this than of my garbled, half rmembered mill version. I have emailed quinion and hopefully he will help, though I have never had a query investigated before.



Posted By: Zed Re: lose my finger - 09/05/03 10:43 PM
EEk
"Here, you new guy. Come and stick your finger in this cannon." No wonder sailors are superstitious!!!

Posted By: belMarduk Re: The long pull - 09/06/03 01:01 AM
>>'pull' is French for 'sweater'

It is??

BYB I have to tell you I've never heard this before. Do you mean France French? A pull-over is un chandail. here in Québec.

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