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Posted By: Bingley moguing - 04/22/03 03:39 AM
Anybody heard of this word? It's not in Onelook.

The context (from Ellis Peters's "Saint Peter's Fair, page 163, the he and she are a young man and his mother):

He hugged her impulsively, and kissed her cheek, and she put him off impatiently, with what was more a slap than a caress. 'Get along with you, and don't come moguing me until you're cleared of the worse charge, and have paid your fine for the riot. Now come and eat your dinner!'

From the context it would seem to mean coaxing or something of that sort, but does anyone know more specifically?

Bingley
Posted By: tsuwm Re: moguing - 04/22/03 03:57 AM
mogue [Brit. slang. orig. Eng. regional]

trans. To deceive, fool, trick; to play a joke on, make fun of.

1854 A. E. BAKER Gloss. Northants. Words II. 26 Mogue, to deceive, to cheat. ‘You shan't mogue me.’ 1891 S. O. ADDY Gloss. Words Sheffield Suppl. 38 Tha mun tak no notice o' him; he's nobbut moging thee! 1893 P. H. EMERSON Signor Lippo xvi. 60 Sometimes we mogue 'em by pulling 'em a bit, but those bookies are fly to the game. 1933 R. A. FREEMAN Dr. Thorndyke Intervenes xvi. 228 ‘We got it..from someone who had it from Wicks.’ ‘Get out!.. You couldn't. Wicks never had it. You are moguing me. I don't believe you've got it all.’ 1960 H. WENTWORTH & S. B. FLEXNER Dict. Amer. Slang 341/2 Mogue, to deceive. 1981 ‘E. PETERS’ St. Peter's Fair 135 Get along with you, and don't come moguing me until you're cleared of the worse charge.



>It's not in Onelook.

I'll have to remedy that! <g>
Posted By: Bingley Re: moguing - 04/22/03 04:25 AM
So, I was reading one of the OED's citations.

Um, tsuwm, could you also look up brychan for me. Ellis Peters mentions them quite often -- a sort of mat, or a garment that could be used as a blanket to sleep on, maybe?

Bingley
Posted By: tsuwm Re: moguing - 04/22/03 05:38 PM
brychan is not to be found in my usual sources, but try googling brychan Welsh blanket

Posted By: of troy Re: moguing - 04/22/03 06:12 PM
Bryspun is a brand of knitting needles..

Posted By: maahey Re: moguing - 04/22/03 06:37 PM
Well......I googled Brychan Welsh blanket, and... OK, tsuwm I am still learning!...... It IS a Blanket made of home spun wool. I also found a monk, Cadfael, who I am sure is Bingley's friend and goodness!, many other new words on that site! Are these neologisms or nonces?

[aside]Very nice word, moguing...thanks to both of you
Here's the link:
http://www.steveconrad.co.uk/cadfael/glossary.html

Posted By: tsuwm Re: moguing - 04/22/03 06:49 PM
maahey, I couldn't get that glossary to open, but I did find this helpful for brychan:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Lloyd8.html

edit: fwiw, the Cadfael glossary opens just fine via IE but not with Netscape. from the intersections with the wwftd list and others that are still in common use, I'd say there are few nonce-words or neologisms therein.

Posted By: Capfka Re: moguing - 04/22/03 06:51 PM
Wasn't Cadfael fictional? Pretty damn sure of that, actually. Dressed up as Derek Jacobi from memory.

Posted By: Bingley Re: moguing - 04/23/03 03:10 AM
Thanks for the link to the glossary, maahey. I'm surprised by some of the words the compiler thought fit to include -- surely largesse and litany, for example, are still in fairly common use.



Bingley
Posted By: JohnHawaii Re: moguing - 04/23/03 04:15 AM
"surely largesse ... still in fairly common use."
I assume you are referring to the one on Superman's chest?




Posted By: Bingley Re: moguing - 04/23/03 04:22 AM
Superman's chest is in common use? I thought it was reserved for Lois Lane.

Bingley
Posted By: Bingley Re: moguing - 04/25/03 08:49 AM
Another Ellis Peters word, not in the glossary, but in Onelook: assart -- a piece of land in a forest cleared of trees and bushes for cultivation.

Bingley
Posted By: Jackie Re: moguing - 04/26/03 02:21 AM
"surely largesse ... still in fairly common use."
I assume you are referring to the one on Superman's chest?
Good one! Moguing sounds like it might have been a variant on mocking.

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