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Posted By: Borderman A word for this? - 10/16/00 01:35 AM
What is the word for giving an inanimate object human characteristics?

Posted By: barite Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 01:41 AM
Anthropomorphism

Posted By: Bingley Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 04:40 AM
Wouldn't anthropomorphism also cover giving animals human characteristics? Is there a similar word specific to inanimate objects?

Bingley
Posted By: belMarduk Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 08:54 PM
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary defines Anthropomorphic as follows: 1. Ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, esp. to a deity. 2. Resembling or made to resemble a human form: an anthropomorphic carving

The example shows that it covers inanimate objects also.

In the children's show TRANSFORMERS (I don't know if it still plays, my son is 18 and watched it many moons ago) cars and planes used to become human-like. They used to say transform or metamorphose. Perhaps this is becoming the popular term for it.

Dag nabbit, Enigma leaves a little to be desired...it translated children's into Chili and unabridged as unacceptability. Très embarassing for a board dedicated to words. Are we accepting him like a senile old uncle??

Posted By: Jazzoctopus Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 09:21 PM
We're overlooking the obvious:

personification

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 11:15 PM
Dag nabbit, Enigma leaves a little to be desired.... Are we accepting him like a senile old uncle??

Caught you in the anthropomorphizing act, belM

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: A word for this? - 10/16/00 11:20 PM
Interesting, JazzO. IMHO, 'personify' would be the antonym of 'anthropomorphize'.

Posted By: Bingley Re: A word for this? - 10/17/00 04:38 AM
In reply to:

The example shows that it covers inanimate objects also.


Yes I know, but is there a word which covers inanimate objects only?

Bingley

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: A word for this? - 10/17/00 04:24 PM
'personify' would be the antonym of 'anthropomorphize'.

Fishy is confused, Anna! How so?

I think 'personify' gets my vote at present. "He's just anthropomorphizing his car" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

But I share Bingley's (and Borderman's?) feeling that there must be a word for attaching human qualities to inanimate objects alone.
If there isn't, perhaps we should invent one!

Posted By: tsuwm Re: A word for this? - 10/17/00 05:04 PM
here's one explanation I've seen regarding the [subtle] difference between anthropomorphism and personification:
if you use the device in fiction, it's personification; but if you try to apply the device to reality, the scientists will hit you with cries of anthropomorphism. I'm not aware of any word that applies to inanimate objects only.
(read this twice now and call your saltician in the morning.)

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 02:37 AM
It's a chicken (or more appropriately, sturgeon)-and-egg, back-and-forth sort of thing. If you anthropomorphize a fish on a bicycle (as many of us have), you give it human characteristics. If you personify it, you are shona

From Cambridge:

personify  
(of a person) to be a perfect example of (a thing or quality) 
The new party leader personifies the modern face of socialism.
These louts personify all that is worst in our society today.

personification  
In the film, she played a character who was the personification of evil.
During the 1920s, Al Capone was the personification of organized crime in America.

In other words, Al Capone did not go around attributing human characteristics to organized crime. The characteristics of crime were attibuted to him. Is this clear? I've had a long day and if it's not, someone let me know I'll come back to it tomorrow when I can think better [grimace]


Posted By: tsuwm Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 03:34 AM
you've latched on to just one sense of personification; there are two:

1a - Attribution of personal form, nature, or characteristics; the representation of a thing or abstraction as a person: esp. as a rhetorical figure or species of metaphor. b - An imaginary or ideal person conceived as representing a thing or abstraction.

2. The embodiment of a quality, idea, or other abstraction, in a real person (or, by extension, in a concrete thing); usually applied to the actual person (or thing) as embodying the quality, etc., or exemplifying it in a striking manner or degree; an impersonation, ‘incarnation’ (of something). [from OED]

anthropomorphism fits 1a.



Posted By: FishonaBike Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 12:08 PM
call your saltician in the morning

Hope he doesn't recommend vinegar and brown paper.
Next thing I know the chips will be down.

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 12:33 PM
Thanks for that, folks. The mists have parted somewhat!

Does the double meaning make 'personify' enantiodromic or a contranym, then?
cf "Words that are their own antonym" anyone interested
I suppose the meanings are only contrary in that they make the verb transitive or intransitive. (terminology? - it's been a while!)

Just to stir up the water again, 'personalize' can mean exactly the same as 'personify'.

I considered this word a little way back in the discussion, thinking it may have had the meaning of "assign a personality to". Which, as it turns out, it does and doesn't...


Posted By: tsuwm Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 02:30 PM
>Does the double meaning make 'personify' enantiodromic or a contranym, then?

my thought exactly!
if you look at some of the lists of contranyms (it's one of those things that seems to proliferate on the 'net) you will see how loosely the words "opposite" and "antonym" are treated. one example that we've had here is a 'stranger' popping in with the question "what is the opposite of the word misogynist, or a woman hater"; to which the required response should be "well, do you mean a 'woman lover' or a 'man hater'?" [I've seen the question several times, in several places, and the latter is invariably what's wanted... :-?]



Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 02:59 PM
Just to stir up the water again, 'personalize' can mean exactly the same as 'personify'.


Would an example be helpful here?
how about:
"Marriage is Love parsonified."


Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 04:53 PM
This has evolved in a very interesting way, and I've learned something. But I believe I for one, on the rare occasions I have to write either word, will continue to stick with the difference, in an attempt to circumvent contranymic confusion. For me: "Einstein personifies genius," means he is the human embodiment of that quality, and is not an intro to his quote: "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration."

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 06:12 PM
For me: "Einstein personifies genius," means he is the human embodiment of that quality, and is not an intro to his quote: "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration."

Thank you, Anna. I love the way I am always learning here. I had alays thought that quote was attributed to Edison. Cheers,

Posted By: tsuwm Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 06:30 PM
>attributed to Edison

me too.

more fun with percents:

95% of this game is half mental.
-- Yogi Berra

98% of the adults in this country are decent, hardworking, honest
Americans. It's the other lousy 2% that get all the publicity. But then,
we elected them.
-- Lily Tomlin

and of course, the progenitor of Sturgeon's Law, paraphrased from Sturgeon's Revelation:

90% of science fiction is crud, but then 90% of everything is crud.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: A word for this? - 10/18/00 07:42 PM
Whoops. Believe it was Edison. Well, y'all get my meaning.

Loved the quotes, tsuwm, even the YARTed one .

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: A word for this? - 10/20/00 04:18 PM
how loosely the words "opposite" and "antonym" are treated

Yes, I'm certainly seeing plenty of examples of that. But that reflects life, does it not? And I'm probably just as guilty of misinterpretation of opposition (what a mouthful ) as the next fish, I suppose..

Is the "opposite of misogynist" thread around somewhere?

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: A word for this? - 10/20/00 04:29 PM
to circumvent contranymic confusion

Fair enough, Auntie. I think I may have a go at using "personalize" in place of "anthropomorphize" myself, and see how it works. Can't hack the multi-syllable scientific stuff applied to fairly everyday occurrences.

Did I tell you I have a friend who personalizes his cat?
He makes it wear a collar and has tattooed his name and address on its back, underneath the fur.

Ah.


Posted By: FishonaBike percentages - 10/20/00 04:33 PM
90% of science fiction is crud, but then 90% of everything is crud.

Sturgeon was a great fish indeed. Excellent.






Posted By: tsuwm Re: A word for this? - 10/20/00 04:44 PM
>Is the "opposite of misogynist" thread around somewhere?

ah! an excellent opportunity to learn the use of the "search" function - it's the button under AWADtalk, not the other. at the menu, select "all forums" and "all posts" for the search string "misogynist".

Posted By: awaddle Re: A word for this? - 10/20/00 10:26 PM
In poetry--how about "the wakeful bed, the aching mirror?" A little dash of personification. Then, of course, there's the "persona" poem--but that's another story!

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