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Posted By: inuodie Word from grammar class - 10/18/02 11:30 AM
This has been nagging at me in the back of my mind for a very long time. Way back in 5th grade grammar class we learned a term that referred to how people often make grammatical errors because they are trying too hard to sound grammatically correct, but they don't really understand the rules.
Examples are:

"Just between you and I..."
"If you have any questions, send Joe or myself and e-mail."

I think it starts with "hyper" or "super", or something like that. Please, can anyone tell me what the word is?

Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: Word from grammar class - 10/18/02 11:39 AM

Hypercorrection?

I think this might have been the word of the day a while back.

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Posted By: Wordwind Re: Word from grammar class - 10/18/02 11:50 AM
Hypercorrection is the term.

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 12:07 PM
I've also heard it referred to as hyperurbanism.

Welcome aboard, inoudie! I see you've mastered the markup on the first try! Took me weeks.

Posted By: Wordwind Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 12:15 PM
Yeah, maybe inuodie is one of those rare people who actually read and learn the FAQs before posting!

I'm impressed, too, and welcome aboard!

WW

Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 01:27 PM
Unlike us, huh, Wordwind?

Posted By: Faldage Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 01:30 PM
As I remember in my early posts I tried in-line html. Max straightened me out and you, my dear ASp, welcomed me. Little did you suspect

Posted By: FishonaBike Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 01:43 PM
But is hypercorrection solely something people apply to themselves, or can somebody hypercorrect someone else?

If the latter, then perhaps inuodie's term should be "self-hypercorrection".

Hmm.

Posted By: Faldage Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 02:09 PM
Hyper-correction or hyper-urbanization is the term for the practice of misusing a nominative or reflexive pronoun when an objective one is called for. The hyper-correction version is a referrence to the idea that is an overreaction to a construction of the sort: me and him went fishing last weekend. If I were to say something like just between you and me and you were to huffily say that I should have said just between you and I, I could reasonably say that you had hyper-corrected me.


Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 06:40 PM
me and him went fishing

Written down, this seems gross, of course.
But in the spoken word, many parts of speech are left unsaid and understood to have been purposely left out, making the spoken whole grammatically intact.

In the example above, the complete version is, "Me and him; we went fishing. To have said (rather than have written) "He and I, we went fishing," would be super-grammatically imperfect, surely?

(And you couldn't even say, "Him and me ..." without sounding pretensious, I trow.)

Posted By: Faldage Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 06:53 PM
Me and him; we went fishing

I don't think so, Rhuby. Even if this sort of ellipsis were going through the heads of those who use this sort of grammar (and I seriously doubt that it is) it wouldn't be correct by SWE rules.

Posted By: RhubarbCommando Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 07:14 PM
Since when did we need any steenkin' SWE rools??

Posted By: Faldage Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 07:36 PM
steenkin' SWE rools

Hey, Rhube, I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

Posted By: sjm Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 08:56 PM
In reply to:

Max straightened me out and you, my dear ASp, welcomed me.



Max didn't welcome you? How grossly discourteous of him!

Posted By: Wordwind Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 09:01 PM
In reply to:

Max didn't welcome you? How grossly discourteous of him!



I do love irony.

Posted By: Capital Kiwi Re: hypercorrection - 10/18/02 09:52 PM
The abuse of "myself" knows no bounds. It's a form of myself-abuse ...

Posted By: inuodie Re: Word from grammar class - 10/19/02 01:21 PM
Thanks, everyone! Now I can sleep at night. Now that I see the word, I know that it's the one I was trying to think of. Boy, it makes such sense. How could I not be able to think of it? It seems like the simple, logical words are the ones that escape me sometimes.

Posted By: musick Grandma's class? - 10/19/02 07:06 PM
...the simple, logical words are the ones that escape me sometimes.

Enjoy it while you can, cuz it's a rare thing to have a "simple, logical" word (escaping or not).



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