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Posted By: Keiva the olive branch - 09/13/01 05:09 PM
Questions bubbling up from the events on all of our minds:

How did the olive branch become a symbol of peace?

Is it such a symbol in cultures other than western civilization?


Posted By: Flatlander Re: the olive branch - 09/13/01 05:18 PM
It's what the dove carried back to the Ark to let Noah know that the waters of The Flood were receeding. I guess the olive branch got its peacefulness from being linked with the bird -- metaphor by association, I guess. But why is the dove a symbol of peace?...

Posted By: consuelo Re: the olive branch - 09/14/01 01:06 AM
The olive branch was delivered by the dove to the ark as a symbol of God's promise to not destroy the Earth through flooding again. Peace.

Posted By: Keiva Re: the olive branch - 09/14/01 01:58 AM
But is the Bible the sole or original source? I ask that because the olive branch was apparently also a peace symbol within the separate tradition of classical Greek mythology.
http://www.bartleby.com/81/12416.html

Posted By: Geoff Re: the olive branch - 09/14/01 04:04 AM
But is the Bible the sole or original source? I ask that because the olive branch was apparently also a peace symbol within the separate tradition of classical Greek mythology.

Carl Jung and his followers have noted that mankind shares common symbols (see Jung's book, Man and His Symbols). After taking a course in children's literature some years ago, I realized that fairy tales tell essentially the same stories, despite their having been told in parts of the world with no contact with one another. We have a common human experience. So, now that I've laid bare my limited knowledge, would somebody pass me a fig leaf?

Posted By: Faldage Speaking of doves - 09/14/01 02:25 PM
Militis in galea nidum fecere columbae

Does anyone have the rest of this poem? It's by Petronius Arbiter. Roughly "the doves have made their nest in the soldier's helmet, see how Venus loves Mars."

Posted By: belMarduk Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 01:34 AM
would somebody pass me a fig leaf?

Now, Geoff, that is way too much information for this forum...unless I am mistaken, aren't fig leaves rather small...and you need just one??


Posted By: Keiva Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 01:53 AM
bel, you must be precise: he wants just one.
BTW: how does one attach a fig leaf?

Posted By: belMarduk Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 02:05 AM
Now, see, that's the beauty of language...in one fell swoop and by emphasizing just one word - "wants" - poor Geoff has gone from being sadly unendowed to being somewhat of an exhibitionist.

um, aren’t figs rather sticky. Does wonders for leaf-sticking I would think. But one would have to ask an expert...yoo-hoo, oh Geoff


Posted By: Keiva Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 02:16 AM
a mechanism akin to velcro?

Posted By: Jackie Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 02:41 AM
I can vouch that fig leaves are not sticky. So...p'raps a bit of delicate braiding?

Posted By: of troy Re: the olive branch - 09/16/01 02:43 AM
re:So, now that I've laid bare my limited knowledge, would somebody pass me a fig leaf?

silly me, i thought he meant to make a cap(dunce cap?) with the leaf.. and fig leaves aren't that small. though NY is really to cold for them, they are cultivated by many, and each winter, pruned, bound, wrapped, topped with a waste can, (to keep rain and snow from leaking into the wrapping) and the roots are thickly mulched. the leaves are somewhat like an oak leaf, (white or black oak) and deaply lobed, but often larger than my hand.
but no one tries to grow olive trees.
the thought of something like velcro- on sensitive anatony..youch!

Posted By: TEd Remington Fig leaf haberdashery - 09/16/01 03:05 PM
When Adam and Eve were getting married, which of course happened after the expulsion from the Garden, Eve told Adam he would have to dress formally. He put several fig leaves side by side, and this eventually became "The Figrow of Marriage."

Posted By: rodward Re: the olive branch - 09/17/01 11:21 AM
Jackie vouches that fig leaves are not sticky
but if you cut them off the tree (or prune the branch) the tree weeps a very sticky thick white sap. One could use that to fix them. A word of warning though, the sap is incredibly itchy.

Posted By: Flatlander Re: the olive branch - 09/17/01 03:31 PM
though NY is really to cold for them, they are cultivated by many, and each winter, pruned, bound, wrapped, topped with a waste can

[personal digression]We have a family myth about fig trees. My great-grandfather (an Italian immigrant) absolutely adored figs, and as soon as he bought a house in the Boston area he dutifully tended and coddled a small fig tree he planted in the yard, but never got more than one or two shriveled, bland fruits every year. The year after he died, though, the tree bloomed forth with an abundance of sweet figs.

I'm not sure if that's a tale about the impact those passed can effect in our world, or just about the way nature's processes will not be bound by our meager lifespans, but it always makes me smile just the same.[/personal digression]

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