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Posted By: catherinegordon spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 12:28 AM
Just wondering about the connection between "wife" and "weave". Did single women do the spinning and married women do the weaving?
Or could the husband and wife be seen as twisted or woven together?
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 01:20 AM
Just wondering about the connection between "wife" and "weave".

The two words are not often thought to be related etymologically.

Spinster is one of the few agentive nouns in English where the archaic suffix -ster stills refers to a female agent. There are a bunch of proper names that use this suffix: Webster (weaver), Brewster (brewer), Dempster (judge), Baxter (baker), etc. After the suffix was reanalyze to be for masculine agents, the -ess was added to some words like seamstress.
Posted By: Faldage Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 11:19 AM
Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
Just wondering about the connection between "wife" and "weave".

The two words are not often thought to be related etymologically.


AHD4 traces them to two totally different PIE roots.
Posted By: BranShea Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 12:08 PM
Isn't weaver the male equivalent of spinster?

"The spinster and the weaver....etc.?
I mean, there seems to be no special word for it other than bachelor.
Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 01:27 PM
I'm a little curious why it's not "spinstress."
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 01:57 PM
I'm a little curious why it's not "spinstress."

Did you see my post up above? The Old English suffix -ster referred to female agents not masculine ones.
Posted By: TheFallibleFiend Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 02:44 PM


I misunderstood. I thought you had meant that all the words were reexamined to ensure they fit with the existing standard that -ster refers to male and -stress to female, not that the actual standard had changed. I guess it's just luck of the draw that they didn't change spinster when they changed the others?
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/08/10 09:13 PM
I guess it's just luck of the draw that they didn't change spinster when they changed the others?[

Yep, pretty much like everything else in language ...
Posted By: BranShea Re: spinsters and weavers? - 09/09/10 08:18 AM
There are five dictionaries who give spinstress for spinster. I also remember having read it in books. Just like seamstress. It can be good differentiation between a spinster ( unmarried maiden )and a woman who spins.
Posted By: Candy re spinster - 09/30/10 03:28 AM
my sister put 'bachelorette' on her marriage license application (she hates the word spinster)...well the clerk crossed it out saying it wasn't a true word or status..and HE wrote spinster.
Posted By: Faldage Re: re spinster - 09/30/10 10:20 AM
Huh? Is this in place of, say, Unmarried on a form?
Posted By: BranShea Re: re spinster - 09/30/10 08:39 PM
Spinster on a licence? Isn't spinster a very old fashioned word to use on official papers! Unmarried is good word on papers used both for those who are not married yet and those who have been unmarried/divorced.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: re spinster - 10/01/10 12:13 PM
Isn't spinster a very old fashioned word to use on official papers!

Bureaucrats tend to be conservative and old-fashioned and stubborn and annoying.
Posted By: Faldage Re: spinsters and weavers? - 10/01/10 11:37 PM
Originally Posted By: catherinegordon
Just wondering about the connection between "wife" and "weave". Did single women do the spinning and married women do the weaving?
Or could the husband and wife be seen as twisted or woven together?


And, back in the day, wīf meant woman without regard to marital status.
Posted By: Candy Re: re spinster - 10/02/10 04:25 AM
Originally Posted By: zmjezhd

Bureaucrats tend to be conservative and old-fashioned and stubborn and annoying.


yes...because they can.
Posted By: Candy Re: spinsters and weavers? - 10/02/10 04:28 AM
Originally Posted By: Faldage

And, back in the day, wīf meant woman without regard to marital status.


much as Ms is today then
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